• Todd Bonzalez@lemm.ee
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    Look, you’re not really wrong, but you get that this shit is why people get irritated with vegans right? We were talking about being wasteful with energy resources for the sake of capitalism and you came in with a lazy segue to animal rights and nutritional health.

    It’s a conversation that we should be having, but it’s also insufferable to constantly be shoehorning it into every conversation.

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      4 months ago

      I don’t agree. The comment points out the single most effektive move an individal without political nor financial power can make to cut personal co2-emissions with just a change of habit. It’s not about veganism, animal rights or your health, it’s just about sanity. Us still eating meat even though we know better is an incredibly dumb waste of energy for the sake of pleasure, exactly like this shitty powereating globe.
      As long as >95% of the global population still consumes meat I understand the urge to bring this topic everywhere.

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        Take a train instead of a flight. Cycle to work or take public transport instead of driving. Install a heat pump or solar in your house. There are a million things people can do to cut down their emissions that can be as effective as becoming herbivores, depending on each one’s personal situation.

        Plus, I don’t have the numbers in my head but I’m pretty sure a locally grown fillet of chicken is more environmentally friendly than an avocado that has travelled across the Atlantic, so “buy local” would be probably better advice.

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          Yeah, so many things one should do. Yet nothing is as simple as paying for a different product next time you’re shopping your groceries.
          Avocados are way less harmfull to our planet than local meat. People keep bringing this up so often it’s #20 on the Vegan Bullshit Bingo.

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        4 months ago

        Oh, you’re one of those “you can save the planet with your personal habits” people…

        You enjoy your salad. I’m wondering what it takes to firebomb an oil refinery.

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          And you are one of those “every problem on the planet is the fault of someone else other than me so I can do whatever I want with no regard for it’s affect on anyone else” people. Stay away from us if you can’t be bothered to carry your own weight, you just drag down people who actually give a shit about something other than their own immediate selfish gratification.

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            you are one of those “every problem on the planet is the fault of someone else other than me…”

            Yes.

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              There are things in your power to change and things out of your power to change. What you are doing is sadly trying to excuse yourself from doing what you can do because of the existence of things you can’t. It’s absolutely because you are lazy. If everyone were like you, we would be screwed. As it is, the good things come from people who are not like you. You’re welcome. As someone who tries to help, you are a burden we have to deal with, we would appreciate it if you picked up some rope and helped us pull instead of just laying on the sled complaining.

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              The Top 1% have the power to cause so much damage. You most likely belong to the Top 10% and your reasoning is exactly the same: “Not my fault. Why would I change, as long as everyone else doesn’t.” But Prioners dilemma makes it worse for everyone involved. So be a better person than them, be the change you want to see in them and stop pointing fingers like a spoiled kid.