I live in India and I am pretty poor, I hope to be middle-class/upper-middle class someday, but I have noticed something sinister from some people who are extremely privileged, they can be still be bought with money.
Lack of money makes you desperate, and paranoid, and comparison drives you crazy, hard to be morally perfect as a poor man, but I see actors who have made insane amounts of money on the backs of their Indian fans like Shahrukh Khan, Canada Kumar, Ajay Devgan, Hrithik Roshan and many more who are well-respected in the industry and who still can sell their own fans financial ruin (gambling) or death (Tobacco) in ads. I thought the point of being rich was that you could be more moral, what is the use of getting rich if you use your influence and fame to do more harm than good?
Also, all the actors mentioned above have made numerous movies about patriotism, many in their private conversations like to brag how much they “love their country… blah… blah… blah”, but yet they feel ok selling Tobacco to their fans who made them what they are.
I have a cousin who worships Shahrukh Khan and who took up Pan(Tobacco) because he was naive and because he probably thought it was “cool” since his favorite actor (on whom he has modeled all aspects of his life was selling tobacco), thankfully we were able to get him off that a few years ago, but he spent money like water and he gained worse health for it. He got off easy, many suffered financial ruin or even death. So, when is it fucking enough!? When will these people have enough money?
edit: It’s just not India, it happens everywhere (just watch CoffeeZilla to see more prime examples of this) Also, I am not saying I am perfect, if someone gave me an insane amount of money to sell Pan, I will, judge me if you will. But, I like to think if I had “enough” money, I would be immune to the attractions of blood money, I like to think I can try to be as moral as I can be then, but these people almost make me think that there is never “enough” money.
The rich will never have enough money and we will all suffer to that end.
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willnever have enough money and wewillall suffer to that end.
It never is. It’s the same everywhere too.
I once read on the Internet if you’re dependant on income you are poor. I think that is a perfect definition, because it removes the rivalry between all, well, slaves.
By money count I am possibly rich in direct comparison to you. Yet here I am, requiring income for my family and me to survive alone, additionally being bound by long term costs.
So it’s basically the same for all of us (albeit with different numbers and different conditions) except for a handful who can do what they want.
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People can be satisfied and have enough, but those people are generally not CEOs or famous actors. Read @[email protected] comment for someone who thinks they have enough money
I don’t disagree but the odds are heavily stacked against this. The whole system is based on performing better and growth, driving this.
Hence even if you’re satisfied, it won’t be enough for long…
Epicureanism teaches that you will never have enough money, enough fame, enough influence, so chasing after those will never make you happy. Instead, you should focus on fulfilling your needs and fixing problems in your life, getting enough to eat, enough sleep, surrounding yourself with friends and enjoying the small things in life. When you’re unburdened by needs, you reach long-lasting happiness.
So to me, that means earning enough to fulfill your needs is enough, especially if you don’t have to worry about losing your job any time soon
Oooh look at Epicure over here, just casually getting in his 8 hours of sleep. Brag more king.
On a serious note, the capitalists have commercialized all of this. Getting enough to eat might be doable with a meager income technically, but eating well and healthy is expensive. Getting a good bed in a nice living space that facilitates rest well costs a fortune. So you need two middle class plus jobs to afford it for yourself and your partner, which comes with its own set of stressors.
The small things in life are also actively commercialized. A coffee with friends? Better save up for the chain cafe prices. A movie night in? Remember to pay your Netflix subscription. A hike? Gotta pay for gas to get there, depending on where you live. I’m not saying it’s impossible to have small things for free/cheap, it’s just not that easy. There’s also going to be constant social pressure, through advertisement or influencers, first or secondhand, to do all the things they tell you will make you more happy. You’ll have to actively resist that, which in turn can cause you to become distanced from your social circle.
God forbid you get sick, the health insurance and pharmaceutical industry will fleece you and in some countries leave you with crippling debt, making all of the above out of reach for you.
All of this to say: money isn’t just something you have to chase after for the sake of it in our current society, it’s an absolute necessity to try to have more than what you think you actually need in the moment to get by and enjoy the small things. It might sound cliche, but “society is like stacked against us, man” is actually a completely true statement.
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I think “enough” is when you don’t have to worry about water, food and shelter.
I have roughly enough to pay for these things, a little more, can get internet and a few euros each month for random luxury stuff.
I earned more before, but I reduced the hours in my job severely so I get to this money state. I like the reduced hours more than having more money.
So yeah for me, idk what everyone’s talking about, there’s definitely an “enough”. Of course, more is also “nice” but “enough” is when you survive with a little bit over.
Of course, like others say, for most people there is not an “enough”, they keep wanting more. It depends on the individuals. I have a bunch of friends who are friends because they think like me. But I can’t be friends with most of the population because they can’t get enough.
Famous people are mostly famous exactly because they can’t get enough. No one works that much, tries to acquire status that much, if they are satisfied eventually. Because when you would be satisfied, you stop chasing more fame, not getting to a level that we would call “famous”.
I think the only way to have “enough” money is to practice gratitude. Being poor is defined by stress, of course; I am not gonna tell you that your problems are all in your head. But when you get a better paying job, it’s easy to thoughtlessly spend more money and still end up feeling poor. So, don’t just excitedly spend all that money. Take a good look at what you appreciate about your current life and what you are proud of, and do what you need to cultivate these good things. Sometimes it is surprising how many of those things are free. Sometimes they need a bit of money to grow.
The other thing is that each time you cross a moral line, it gets easier to do so again. This is why i do not drink and will never drink. I think the same goes for accepting sponsorships from tobacco companies and other kinds of corruption. And of course being rich naturally shields you from the consequences of these decisions if you let it.
I consider myself rich. This is how i have quantified it
- Rich enough to avail public transport
- Rich enough to eat home-cooked meals (enough time to purchase the items as well)
- Rich enough to spend time on the gym to improve my health
- Rich enough to spend time on my hobbies (gaming)
- Rich enough to have spare time to spend with my loved ones
- Rich enough to afford a nationalized healthcare plan
- Rich enough to plan a investment technique so that I can retire peacefully
I am extremely privileged. Sometimes I wonder if I even deserve it. I don’t think i will require any more money at this point. But people around me will call me middle-class because i’m not hustling enough. I don’t care to be honest; i’m at peace.
My standards are a bit lower than yours (I don’t mind public transport because it’s good enough for my needs) but other than that, I am now realising how privileged I am. By standard social definitions, I’m a broke student, but looking at it from this point of view, I’m one of the richest people I know.
By standard social definitions, I’m a broke student
This, i believe, is one of the biggest faults of society/social media which is not discussed enough. We are always chasing an unreachable goal of success which makes us constantly depressed.
I don’t mind public transport because it’s good enough for my needs
I mostly use public transport other than scenarios where it’s just not feasible (catching a flight at 6-7 am). What I meant to say is that I am fortunate enough to be in an area which has good public transport.
I don’t think any amount of money is enough. This is what happens when we live in a society that relies on material wealth as a source of validation instead of a means to fulfill our basic needs.
You get to define your own sense of what “enough” money is. Many people will never have enough.
The philosopher Diogenes was sitting on a curbstone, eating bread and lentils for his supper. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king. Said Aristippus, “If you would learn to be subservient to the king, you would not have to live on lentils.” Said Diogenes, “Learn to live on lentils, and you will not have to cultivate the king.”
I like to reference Maslows Hierarchy of needs for a different perspective of personal value.
In a sense, money represents all the future goods and services it can buy, and those goods and services ultimately resolve down to someone’s time and effort. Money was conceived as a formalization of IOU’s, after all.
So it’s similar to asking whether there’s a limit to how much time and effort from (i.e. influence over) others one would want.
So, when is it fucking enough!? When will these people have enough money?
It’s all about keeping score, see. When the best capitalist finally gets all the money, they win. And then we can all quit this game and do something else.
Everyone is here talking about how no money is enough and everyone is really greedy, but I’m not so sure. Have a look at modern philosophies around financial planning and you will find a TON of people living within their means and using their financial wealth to live closer to their values. The FIRE movement and “Finding and funding a good life” come to mind.
I have a work colleague that earns roughly three times my income, but is constantly crying poor and is in a lot of debt and has very little spare money. However, this person also has huge amounts of subscriptions, gets Uber Eats all the time and is purchasing luxury items that are just not required.
There is no frugality in this person’s life at all that I’m able to see though I’m not privy to the intricate details of their finances.
I think your point is spot on. If you’re earning even a modest amount of money for your countries standards, and you are frugal and you enjoy being frugal, but still giving yourself the things you like and enjoy, then you can probably live a quite a good life.
Of course, there are so many variables here. This is quite a blanket statement.
But still, with this person earning three times that I earn, I am living a very comfortable and carefree life in comparison.
I’ve always liked the distinction between needing your job to survive and being okay if it disappeared for at least a few months
If you have enough to mean you can take your time to look for a good job if you ever lost your current one without having to change your lifestyle, that’s the minimum bound of “enough” IMO. Anything else involves compromise, so therefore is not “enough” by definition.
I’d say the idealised “enough” is when you can do whatever you decide to do without having to worry if you can afford it.
Both of these depend on the kind of lifestyle people lead and how much more they would do if they didn’t have to think about money. For some people that idealised “enough” is unachievable, because they’ve decided what they want to do is make more money.
People that end up chasing money for the sake of having more money will often do so in spite of any moral compass. And FWIW I don’t think there are a high percentage people out there that make “enough” by either of my definitions and that opens up all the exploitation that forces people into shitty jobs and situations they wouldn’t otherwise do
If I can suddenly in coma for a year, wake up and pay my bills, it’s enough.
About 20% more than what anybody currently has at any point in time
IMO: Not having to worry about money.
Bonus points if you could easily absorb being jobless for 1-2 years while not making any compromises.
