Figured I’d share this since I saw it.
The nostr relay thing does seem a bit… off to me. Not sure what really makes nostr better than here… Unless what we really want is a twitter experiance. Which I, of course, do not.
Figured I’d share this since I saw it.
The nostr relay thing does seem a bit… off to me. Not sure what really makes nostr better than here… Unless what we really want is a twitter experiance. Which I, of course, do not.
As for the deplatforming issues, I’d prefer carring my identity to various places.
In the lemmy case it’s rough because they ban instances and identities are tied to instances.
If they have to kick me out, that’s fine, I’ll take my ID an go elsewhere. Same as if I enter a bar, start some fights, and I get banned.I just go to another bar and, if I have a following, they can go to. Not only can they go, they aren’t banned from visiting the old bar again.
If people followed identites, rather than identities of an instance, we may have a solution. Which is why I like SSB, and, if I understand how it works correctly, why I wanted to like nostr.
The fediverse almost does this. I’d like to fire up my own pleroma identity, for example, and then vist other instances of the various parts of the fediverse and check them out, but I’m pretty sure I have to host all the data I view, which is not ideal.
don’t disagree with the mentality but part of the problem I see with this is that a lot of lemmy instances start to make it harder to get in (email, approval process, etc). beecuck is probably the worst offender in this department but there are plenty of others that aren’t just trying to prevent spambots but also want to limit who can get into the community.
point being that as the onboard process becomes more and more of a pain in the ass, it is harder to justify time spent getting in vs the small moment of joy trolling trannyfags etc before getting banned and having to repeat. similar thing on reddit - easy to make a new throwaway but the karma bs basically restricts you from posting most places and it takes too much effort so level of effort required before you can troll isn’t worth it.
to use the bar analogy, if you had to pay an entry fee and wait in line a half hour to get in for every bar, it would get annoying to get throw out after a few times.
Lemmy world is probably the best place to troll right now. It has a very low bar of entry. You can use a fake email to sign up. Immediately start posting images in comments. You’ll get banned but not before getting lots of soyboys super angry.
Nostr is going to have anti trolling measures. Already people have it set to where they ignore comments from people not in their circle of friends. Just as a spam reduction technique.
If trolling libtards is your thing, right now the fediverse is perfect. Like, i’m surprised no one has made whole websites dedicated to it. A few months ago one of those libtard journalist Taylor Lorenz signed up on mastodon and had thousands of antisemetic replies on her first post. She’s Jewish. stuff like,
“The holocaust never happened but it should have”
I think she cried.
yesterday I posted a bunch of rage inducing graphs on lemmy world’s feminist forums and it took them like 8 hours to ban me. Not before getting hundreds of downvotes. Stuff about being childless and being depressed.
To me that isn’t really what digital freedom is about. Even if it’s really funny. I don’t want anyone telling me who I can listen to. It’s morally reprehensible. The technology should allow users to block trolls though. Just from a engineering perspective.
That is exactly how nostr works. And is the main selling point of it. You request a public key from any relay and if that relay has it’s data and is willing to share it you get it. Simple.
The fediverse does not do this at all. I’m not sure where you are getting at. They own your identity. Identities in the fediverse are 100% centralized.
Well, the idea that I can create my own pleroma instance, create an identity, and then go check out noagenda or whoever else’s mastondon’s and the like.
Even peertube iirc. Possibly diaspora?
At that point, blocking me or the instance is the same thing since I’d be the only one on the instance. However, these instances are a bit of pain to setup for the average person, especially if the only point is to create an idenity since that thousands of other people are willing to do it for you.
But yea, that’s why I want to like nostr, mehbe someday a different client will work out for me, but with the way this stuff work out…It’s usually not what Iwant.
I keep seeing this an as argument for the fediverse. But it really is not and i’ll tell you why.
If everyone who used the fediverse hosted their own instance they would indeed have decentralized identities.
But they don’t.
So in your example, yes you can create your instance and your identity will be separate from noagenda social. But what happens when noagenda social bans you?
Every single user on no agenda social is banned from seeing you.
This is fair. And i’m not married to nostr. I believe though in a year or two we should have a pretty solid solution. It’s an ok mastodon and twitter alternative for now. Uses a lot of data though.
Yep, you’ve convinced me to give it another chance. I really should try out other clients, but android is what I usually use for reading, entertainment, etc… I have plenty of other computers though, I have no excuse.
I wonder if there is a way to change a private key. Say, mine gets compromised, without creating a new account.
No private keys are sacred in nostr. Just like Bitcoin. You lose it you have to tell all your followers to re follow the new public key .
I was thinking like how with gpg you can sign a subkey, use that, if it is comprimised you can send something out saying that the key is compromise and painlessly switch over to a new subkey since the master is only used to confirm subkeys.
Like Keyserver notes that this pubkey is bad, in this case nodes, the keyserver also notes that there is a valid new pubkey and transfers it over.
I don’t really understand that. Sounds like there needs to be some kinda central authority for that to work. I would have to read more about it. The guy who made nostr is really good with crypto stuff though. Someone said he was a core bitcoin developer.
As I recall back when I did gpg encrypted email.
You can create a master key. You use this master key to sign other keys.
Keep that master key super safe.
The subkey is what you use in general practice.
You upload your public keys to keyservers, which I believe is what happens with nostr nodes.
Your master key can revoke the subkeys at any time. This revocation is sent to keyservers and the public key is marked as invalid so other people don’t trust it.
You then make a new subkey signed by your master key to prove it is still you, but with a new key, and upload that public key.
Now that’s the key people use to encrypt data for you, as opposed to the old revoked one.
Now, I’m not sure exactly how it works either with the keyservers or nostr, but it seems like it should be doable. Have an air gaped master key that is only used to sign the keys you use day to day, and it’s that master key’s signature that is the verification of your identity.
Bonus points to this system, I can have five different nostr apps each create their own key. I could later verify all those keys with my master key to prove each of these different keys belong to the same identity. With that verification, if implemented of course, the noster nodes could link all the pub keys signed by the same master key to help people follow an identity across different types of content.
I know I’m somewhat confusing different points I was trying to make, but it should all be possible.