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    You can’t say “we” on a fediverse system, because the post is gonna be seen by everyone everywhere. I’m not on sh.itjust.works, I’m viewing your post on kbin, and it’s also gonna be seen on all the other lemmy servers that are federated with yours.

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        That’s my point exactly. Their title asks “Does anyone know why we’re defederated from beehaw?” but the majority of people reading this post will be on instances that AREN’T defederated with beehaw. The post needs to say “Does anyone know why sh.itjust.works is defederated from beehaw?”

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          I mean it doesn’t take much critical thinking to realize defederation is per instance, so mayyybbbeee they’re talking about the instance they’re both part of and posting in.

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            It takes two seconds to mention the instance when talking about an instance specific topic.

            Stop trying to discourage suggestions to improve clarity.

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              you could also stop browsing other instances main?

              Takes 1 second to think about it, even less time

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                I’m seeing this from just the All page on kbin. That’s where I find other communities I may want to join.

                I have not left my instance to see this post.

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                  Yet this is a post from another instance yes?

                  So maybe this is where that critical thinking comes in, if you set out to view other instances, don’t be afraid if you just happen upon other instances

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                    I didn’t set out to view other instances. The default view of kbin is the All page. It was on page 1, immediately join opening. Should I avoid logging in?

                    It’s crazy how annoyed you are about the federated experience while on a federated site. Not everyone is going to conform to how you/your instance wants to operate.

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                  This is a Kbin problem with not showing the instance name for communities and users. The solution is for kbin to fix it’s UI not for users to add unnecessary information to their post titles.

                  I suggest you make a post in the Kbin meta magazine if this bothers you instead of complaining to people who did nothing wrong.

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                I don’t browse other instances’ main, they show up under All together from any federated instance on kbin.

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                    “Don’t spend two seconds wording something clearly when publicly posting because everyone else can just figure out what you meant by inferring all of the context instead.”

                    • Sethayy
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                Pretty much everyone is seeing it just by looking at their instance’s homepage, they’re not browsing on sh.itjust.works’s page. If you post on your instance’s main page, then EVERYONE on EVERY instance will see it on THEIR instance’s homepage too. That’s how federation works.

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                  So, in addition to posting in a community specific page I should also clarify for idiots who don’t know how the technology they’re using or who can’t take a moment and think for themselves about what’s flashing on their screens?

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                  You mean if youre viewing all? Then yeah you might get all posts (no friggin way). This is where that critical thinking comes in

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              You’re suggesting that every single post to this community mentions the instance name?

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          They posted on the community for discussing the server they’re on. There’s some onus on you to look at what communities someone is posting to

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          It’s further exacerbated if you’re using apps that don’t immediately show the instance a post is from

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            Even so, the image that this post is discussing specifically mentions the sh.itjust.works instance. So even if your app sucks, the linked post gives you all the context you need to understand that this is specifically discussing the sh.itjust.works instance.

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          The majority of people are reading this either from Lemmy’s UI, or from some app for Lemmy, both of which clearly show which community+instance this was posted to.

          Ask kbin devs to fix their UI and do the same.

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      There appears to be some miscommunication between instances in this thread regarding how posts appear from other communities. I think many arguments are stemming from this, so to clear things up:

      It is trivial for users on sh.itjust.works to see what is posted where. It is less obvious for kbin.social users to do the same. Personally, I think it’s a kbin issue for not surfacing enough post information.

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      This is more of a problem about English making no distinction between “we” (us including you) and “we” (us excluding you)

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        That’s related, but it should still be pretty clear from context.

        If I say, “the current President doesn’t represent us,” I’m obviously not talking about the whole world, or even the whole country, but the specific subgroup that I’m a part of (i.e. maybe my demographic, political party, etc). If I say, “we need to take responsibility for the state of the planet,” I’m talking about everyone in the whole world, not just me and my specific demographic or political party.

        It would be a lot clearer if we had better words in English, but it is usually quite clear from context. In this case, this is posted to the sh.itjust.works’ “main” community, and the post specifically mentions sh.itjust.works in the image that’s linked. It’s pretty clear it’s talking specifically about the sh.itjust.works instance.

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        The same mistake could be made, since OP assumed the audience is the SIJW instance, thus using inclusive we, when actually its the whole federation, the exclusive we could have been used.

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      Yup. Im reading this on kbin too, and my initial reaction was “Beehaw is defederated from kbin? When did that happen?!?”

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      Yeah, really wish people would mention their instance, it’s more of a guessing game trying to work out what people they’re actually referring to