• SomeoneElseMod@feddit.ukOPM
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    OMB defines “Hispanic or Latino” as a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin (also known as ethnicity).

    If your family isn’t Latino and you don’t have live in a Spanish culture, you’re not Latino. You’re certainly not Latino because you “love hard”.

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      Hispanic is if you come from a country of spanish descent. Latino is if you come from a Latin American country. People from Brazil are latinos but not hispanic.

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          The Dominican Republic speaks Spanish but is not part of latin America. If you count them as part of latin America then so is Haiti but they don’t speak Spanish. Cultures and languages are complicated.

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              Idk just trying to breakdown that definition that was provided because it’s lumping two cultures into one group kind of how some Americans will see all brown people as just mexicans. Why did you respond to me when I responded to some one else?

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      Half of my family is spanish speaking. My mom grew up bilingual, speaking Spanish at home with my grandma. I lived in Spanish-speaking countries in my twenties for a while and learned to speak spanish myself.

      …I still never ever call myself Latino because I grew up in whitesville as a white kid. It never even occurred to me until I was older that I might technically be considered Latino. It just never really came up. The most I ever say is literally what I said in the first sentence. I really feel like deciding later in life to identify as Latino would be some weird kind of appropriation. I don’t look Latino, I didn’t experience anything like a Latino outside of visiting my family and being surrounded by Latinos.

      I’ve come across people in very similar situations to me, who do identify as Latin and they explained to me that they decided later in life to start saying it. It just feels…wrong to me. Can you find out after living a super white existence that you may “get to” qualify as a minority group (in the context of living in the US, that is.) while having none of the lived experience of being of that i identity group?

      I say no.

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        I have a similar experience to you. I’m British with an Irish father and a half-Iranian mother. I’m still British because I was born and live in the UK. My cousins would piss themselves laughing if I suddenly declared I was Irish!

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          Yep. My father was British. I was born in the U.S. I don’t call myself British or English. That’s stupid. I could even get citizenship if I wanted, but if I did, the closest I would come to calling myself British would be ‘British subject.’ I’m American. Unless I do a fake accent, that’s quite clear.

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            “British subject” sounds very American! “Having British citizenship” sounds more, well, British. And I think you automatically have British citizenship because your dad was English. But don’t hold me to it.

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        Connecting with your heritage is a legitimate thing, as long as you actually do it and don’t just say it. And as long as you don’t get ridiculous about it.

        I’m in a smilar boat as you, my mom is a Mexican citizen but I grew up white af. I could start exploring my Mexican heritage more but I would always have to keep in mind that I grew up white and not pretend otherwise.

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      I was reading it wrong … You are not latina because you love hard.

      Thanks for your definition. Hispanic is someone with spanish culture. That was my point.

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      I followed the link you used:

      These standards generally reflect a social definition of race and ethnicity recognized in this country, and they do not conform to any biological, anthropological, or genetic criteria. . . . Persons who report themselves as Hispanic can be of any race and are identified as such in our data tables.

      I thought the OP was ridiculous but apparently, if they genuinely identify with the culture then she might technically be correct.

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        I think it’s saying that as the census is self reported, she can identify herself as Latino even if it doesn’t reflect societal definitions of race and ethnicity. Not that she’d be correct to do so.

        Think of Rachel Dolezal.

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      So the definition of what “Latino” is comes from… the US institutions?

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        The person in the tweet is American so I used the American census definition. I’m pretty confident any reputable source doesn’t count “loving hard” as a valid reason to identify as Latino.

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          Obviously the “loving hard” part is dumb, but I hope you see the irony on posting this tweet and then citing for the definition of “Latino” a website from a US institution

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      It’s more complicated than that. Latinos in the US also have Native American blood (usually South American). They have a terrible history of persecution. Someone who’s from Spain isn’t “Latino”.

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        No, they are Hispanic. Spain is a Latin country however, like Portugal, France, Italy, Romania and a couple of other small European countries.

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        The link to the site is in my comment. You can find out for yourself what the OMBs current definition is, that’s if this is a genuine question and not asked in bad faith.

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            Me too, but I’ll give the benefit of the doubt once. The user has had their warning, they will be immediately banned if they break the community rules.

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              Judging by the amount of xenophobic shit I had to read today, I’d argue Russian trolls have finally arrived.

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                I’m afraid I’ve interacted with the two users skirting dangerously close to rules before - they appear to be real people. It might be tempting to blame bots and foreign interference but there’s plenty of “normal” people who either believe the crap they come out with, or just really like shit-stirring.

                I think I’m fairly strict here though, it doesn’t matter if you’re a Russian bot or American basement dweller, you get one warning before a permanent ban. I’m open to feedback and suggestions on how this community it run though.

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                  I guess it’s hard to differentiate, judging by how Russian trolls managed to set two groups against each other in Texas by founding them both on Facebook.

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                    I don’t know how accurate I’d be at identifying a bot just from reading a single post tbh. That’s why I send a message along with the warning. It’s 50/50 whether I get called a bitch or told why my rules are wrong, but I assume a bot wouldn’t reply or would sound a bit “off”. It’s only gonna get harder to tell unfortunately.