Gauging interest in making a community (here on monero.town) where sellers would be able to post their seller profiles, including:
- a min/max amount of xmr they have for sale
- any payment methods, currencies, or coins they accept
- communication methods they accept
- links to accounts on other sites with feedback, and any verification they choose to include
No escrow (unless buyer/seller want to arrange it). Buyers could post reviews on the seller threads.
It would allow buyers and sellers to have a place to find each other, along with all the information they need to make successful trades with established sellers. Buyers and sellers could complete transactions any way they see fit.
1 condition from my side: Don’t ever talk about what you are going to use the Monero for or where you’ve gotten it from, otherwise I’ll have to ban you from here.
heard
I’m so fucking down man. I have thought about selling some of my monero and didn’t want to go through a centralized exchange which can hold your funds on their whim.
Thats what Haveno is for. If it did occur, then you would have to be really small amounts because of no escrow anyway.
As someone already mentioned, try https://retroshare.cc
It is fully decentralized community software with forums, chat, BBS, and file sharing. It is too risky here as they might claim this site is conspiring to transmit money without communist permission.
I made a retroshare board/chat with a daily trade thread. If anyone is interested check it out and share:
retroshare://posted?name=XMR%20p2p%20sellers%20and%20buyers&id=fe3f6d34693bf689a6dd355f5e7c6142
Not sure how to even open this board link in RS, maybe you have to post your RS ID?
In the buildup phase of a true p2p network its necessary that nodes keep running idle to enable the gossip protocol. To collect peers.
This might seem inconvenient, but relying forever on “seednodes” makes the p2p net centralized. It is necessary for resilience as full nodes are for Monero. Same goes for Haveno.
The difficult part is to stick to running your node before the network effect kicks in - by then you can freely connect and disconnect to the p2p network. This bootup phase is crucial to understand. The app needs storage on your machine to remember the peers it finds.
Look at the network graph in retroshare: are you well connected to other peers?
Yes, I have it running. What I was saying is that I cannot find where to put that share link to find the board Captain has created. I think they need to share their retroshare ID so people can find them on the network.
Here is my retroshare ID, if anyone wants to connect and try this thing out.
ABBoJ5fsnoFayyBIJYYlRaXLAxQ3CbybJPUM1BTbdmcS+IjL8xLcXwEFZ2VrdXSQRAAAAAImlmh5Z3psemwyaHh6bnhmeGd6bDNzZ2hvdm51YjVwamY1NTVvcDcyZXZxYWdpaHN6a2h0bnoyYmFkLm9uaW9uBAMK/p4=He needs to share his certificate. ID is not enough. Standard is you become friends (see below) first. Then you’ll see his chat lobbies, forums, etc.
Try this on a test account, Do not systematically sign or authenticate your friends’ keys. Use DHT mode on clearnet to test.
Retroshare ID is not enough to connect. Share your certificate (PGP public key) with your friend and request the certificate from your Friend. This is normally done in person or any other secure trusted channel. Both need to ACK each others pub key.
Moreover both need to be online to find each other.
https://retroshare.readthedocs.io/en/latest/user-guide/first-steps/#first-friend
First… our beloved friends from the 3 letter agencies are the first to create groups. They fork Haveno. Post “help” videos. etc. etc. Pretend that we censor them when we call out their honeypot website ads in here.
Second… people don’t understand that “creating a new group” is not enough. They need to share their public PGP key (or hashed version). SimpleX makes this easy in the form of a http:// link to onboard new users. Even this process is too difficult to understand for most noobs.
We’ll keep it up.
ps. torrc is in ~./retroshare/tor/
DHT is needed. The problem arises when people try the most para settings possible. Retro is private even with most relaxed settings.
Go to Settings->Server and change config to “Public: DHT and Discovery” (wont expose your IP)
Add me (“aaa”): ABBfKWSD8saPgtQ+nA2PeyZrAxS8KLRy7UmQBzWlsouNKMQGVuq0AwEDYWFhkwYBAAB/PDoEAzcmnA==
if pub key needed:
-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: OpenPGP:SDK v0.9
xsBNBGZRqFsBCACiXn6Tl9fs/nJXTyWIwfcCFgwcasgOfAMxt0ST8SksEBMfa3m+ FUM1TlNsWDV9p0K75ST9QBfBH8EJwBU+hUPLVrIq5VLI+SIpHirEzeE2rPHRS7QB GPCwVilObIH82a5DKRfbhVVCIGWXtcnHRm4H6X0ObQqoiRa1ayX+zYATJf1/0AKH YA6g0UuQEuf4pXI+PDuOMp1ioehZJ0sFHpZQfnmV/qF9j62N9W9td2ilIph8fTJe u0m1E6BTWlD9A1JD+nfIOaefIbJFlglH9N+tg5Wvu/UStC7NoKLWvBWWHzqhbAOv vjKqYdhhCOUjchsNtlDqQE5iwp2teP/xw3k3ABEBAAHNIGFhYSAoR2VuZXJhdGVk IGJ5IFJldHJvU2hhcmUpIDw+wsBfBBMBAgATBQJmUahbCRCNKMQGVuq0AwIZAQAA rLEIAJ/ShQu5hQUM8tINakewPNgD65TG+up92g8CGTsrqWRTMRmEFBmqZxHDiaeD KNs1v75ei9wDQu8hUqIVJvhN92sstpezao877iXOBkIaN3DVVd17QGapOHcLgSRT +2fQAxg+U8HWsw4kch/N3y9NNdxwITXNM7yqwrYTMyf6kD/WVqM9TMGyR4SgVjV3 nhEmC/sWoT7BoOynvunNxckmD9gQW4AErDpp2KqD6/sSTgXmuhipx6qW/6bhqq9l iWtK5qCxBTh0vNy4ihZHa+bryb3Sgx082cjrx0vd2pViiaHsTXYF1uFQJXwUD2d/ Z7YT1TIPzHTGN1gMIw8Nbin42JI= =JsQH -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
I’ll be online in 3hrs for, say 2 hrs. No need to sign my pup key.
Thanks for the recommendation, I’m looking into it.
Has anyone gotten the Retroshare App Image to work with Tails? I feel like I’m close. After I register and the app tries to connect to a retroshare node, I get a pop up with a hidden address and an onion address, but also says “Tor status: offline”. But I’m not offline. The hidden address is 9878:127.0.0.1: 27325; It seems like the port should be 9050, but there doesn’t seem to be a way to change it.
Retroshare has its own built in tor instance, you do not need to run it on tails. Retroshare needs to create an onion address because it needs incoming connections so it may by conflicting with tails.
Just run it on a normal OS and select (Hidden Node over Tor) and it will take care of everything for you.
to use retroshare-tor, simply do NOT start tails-tor on OS startup.
To run 2 instances of tor and avoid conflict:
tor -f /etc/tor/torrc.1
tor -f /etc/tor/torrc.2Some hacking is needed for tails persistant storage also.
How can I not start tails-tor on OS startup? Tails is the OS. Do you mean don’t connect to a network after Tails boots to the home screen?
Which Tails folder/directory would I run those 2 commands in?
An index with contact info would be sound.
Listings and requests can also be done on https://moneromarket.io
asking for trouble… why not go p2p with i2p or retroshare?
SimpleX TOS:
We reserve the right to remove such links from the preset servers and disrupt the conversations that send illegal content via our servers, whether they were reported by the users or discovered by our team.
Lol whats the point of SimpleX E2E
That they can’t discover it by looking at the traffic?
According to my lawyer (US), as long as this is a not-for-profit message board that holds and transfers no funds, it’s fine. I’ll get something set up.
Personally, I am somewhat against this, primarily because I do not want to have this site exposed to legal liability as facilitating money transmission, when Haveno is set to do that job as a decentralized exchange that cannot be taken offline.
This is a great idea. Thanks for taking the initiative Mr. Canary.
