• EatATaco@lemm.ee
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    6 months ago

    I feel like this joke would have landed better 5, or maybe even 3 years ago. Every even remotely fancy restaurant I go into has jumped on the mocktail bandwagon and offers plenty of options for people avoiding alcohol.

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      6 months ago

      Of course they do. They sell them equally expensive without the expensive ingredients!

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        6 months ago

        You are paying for way more than the sum of the parts when you order a cocktail, I’m not really sure why you’d suddenly be concerned about doing so when it comes to a mocktail.

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        Price of drinks have very little relation to the price of alcohol.

        Edit: in the US. Other places might have more esoteric booze tax schemes.

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      6 months ago

      Even then, it’s not really accurate anyway. A cocktail is a bunch of ingredients mixes together. You can usually get them without the alcohol if you ask for it (obviously this doesn’t work for every drink). They list of cocktails is so large because there’s a lot of ways to combine a few ingredients to make different things. They don’t actually stock that many types of drinks or anything. They’re made on demends, and can usually be modified if you ask.

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        6 months ago

        Cocktails without alcohol cost way too much for what they are. That would be like paying 15 bucks for a burger without meat.

        Restaurants sometimes also have like dozens of types of beer, wine, etc. but the best non-alcoholic they can do is a water or a coca cola softdrink?

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        If you can remove the alcohol from any “cocktail” and still have more than just flavored ice or a dirty glass, you were drinking slightly alcoholic mocktails the whole time.

        Old Fashioned mocktail is a cherry on top of a large ice cube that you’ve used to bludgeon some sugar and an orange.

        A Sazerac mocktail is akin to an empty glass someone just drink a sweet lemony drink from. You don’t get the lemony drink, just the dirty glass.

        A margarita mocktail is salty lime flavored ice. This is basically a daquiri mocktail too, adding a strawberry seems popular.

        A Manhattan mocktail is a sweetened cherry in an otherwise empty glass.

        A mojito mocktail is a bit more substantial, minty sugar water with a hint of lime.

        A mint julep mocktail, again just minty sugar water.

        A white Russian mocktail is just a glass of cream over ice.

        A mimosa mocktail is just a nearly empty glass of orange juice.

        The non-alcoholic parts of a cocktail are rarely more than a quarter of the volume if they’re made properly. Most cocktails are a half oz of sugar water and a citrus flavor. The other 2/3 of the volume (not counting the ice) is alcohol. Just order a soda, soda water (with or without a garnish), tea, or my favorite a Topo Chico and lime.

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          6 months ago

          One virgin martini please. Stirred.

          handed cool glass with three olives in it

          Thank you, kind sir!

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              First of all, a vodka martini isn’t a classic martini. That’s why you have to say “vodka” before martini if that’s what you’re ordering. A martini is made at any reputable establishment with gin. I’m sure you could say “rum martini” and any established bartender would raise an eyebrow but make your order.

              That said, I order my martini the same way every time: pure Everclear stirred with a single ice cube. Wave a bottle of vermouth over the glass while looking in the direction of France.

              One olive or three, never even numbers. I’m not a savage.

              Then after I’ve vomited on the bar, they wheel me home on a dolly.

              Edit: my actual standard order is Beefeater, extra dry, one olive. Keep it simple and classic.

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      6 months ago

      I was just in Dublin and saw Guinness 0.0 in a bunch of places. Things are definitely shifting if that can exist in Ireland.

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        6 months ago

        That’s great news! Occasionally I browse the NA beers and last week I thought how great it would be to be able to drink a Guinness! Maybe it arrives here sometime.

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          I’ve not had it, but someone (who also likes regular Guinness) told me that Guinness zero was genuinely great. Need to check it out sometime.

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            6 months ago

            It really is. Like a lot of non alcoholic is crap (maybe if you’re a rare drinker it’s passable and unnoticeable). But Guinness 0.0 tastes very close to real Guinness. I’m not sure i could tell the difference in a blind test honestly.

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      6 months ago

      At least in North America. I get the sense Europe still thinks drinking is cool across the board.

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        Alcohol has been an essential facilitating element of human socialization in every human civilization since Mesopotamia

        Which is cool

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            There’s a loneliness epidemic and low alcohol consumption rates are a contributor to that

            Getting drunk and then talking to a bunch of people you don’t know is how people meet people. That’s an essential and long running aspect of human socialization.

            If you regularly talk to new people and make friends in other ways then that’s fine. But clearly the majority of Lemmy/Reddit users aren’t doing that. And young people in general aren’t doing it either. Meeting strangers irl and chatting them up is how you make friends and alcohol facilitates that

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              There’s a loneliness epidemic and low alcohol consumption rates are a contributor to that

              Are they? Sincere question, haven’t read a report or something like that on that topic.

              Regarding the remaining part, I understand how you see that. Seems logical. However, I would claim that this is more of a problem in societies mindset itself and less one tied to alcohol consumption. If people are raised in a way that they learn how alcohol is necessary, and don’t learn other ways, if it’s even incorporated in the particular culture of a society, then it’s not surprising that those people have a hard time finding new friends.
              There are plenty of counter examples, e.g., look at other cultures where alcohol is even forbidden or at least its consumption clearly discouraged. Even in western cultures there are plenty of people who found and prefer other ways. But sure, may of course not be the majority yet.

              Regarding a loneliless epidemic, I guess there is also a lot more to it than alcohol consumption alone. For example I have picked up on smartphone usage / social media consumption as related on that. (Which is a very superficial statement now, I haven’t read up on that.)

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                6 months ago

                I really don’t understand this site’s/reddit’s fear of alcohol. Moderate drinking is not a problem. And it does assist with socializing, which seems like it would be beneficial for most people on here.

                The idea that people here are afraid of/resistant to drinking, yet will use cannabis and other materials seems very strange. Just go to the bar and meet some people - it’s fun and it won’t hurt you. Alcoholism is obviously an issue, but alcoholism isn’t caused by moderate drinking. Just don’t be an idiot and you don’t have anything to worry about

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                  6 months ago

                  Moderate drinking is not a problem.

                  From a health perspective, it certainly is.
                  No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health.

                  And it does assist with socializing

                  Which is a cultural thing. If people grow up seeing how alcohol is a social catalysator, they don’t learn that it’s perfectly possible to socialize without alcohol.

                  which seems like it would be beneficial for most people on here.

                  Idk, if that comes from a well-meant place, but it sounds kinda condescending.

                  The idea that people here are afraid of/resistant to drinking, yet will use cannabis and other materials seems very strange.

                  There are not just two kinds of people. From my experience those, who use cannabis or other drugs, are inclined towards alcohol use as well.

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          Human sacrifice was also pretty popular for a pretty long time, as was autocracy. Alcohol isn’t that bad, obviously, if bad at all, but age isn’t a good argument on it’s own.

          Also; factually inaccurate. I’m not sure how much evidence of alcohol there is in the New World civilisations, and Islam, which forbids it, has been around for a millennia and a half.

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            You can’t ban something unless it exists and is a part of your society. Alcohol existed prior to Islam in Arabia and still exists there today. Legal Prohibitions do not cause a substance to disappear.

            Alcohol is just fermented grain. Everyone had grain. Therefore everyone had alcohol. Including the Americas

            So yes, there is evidence of alcohol consumption in the New World prior to European contact. Indigenous peoples in various parts of the Americas developed fermented beverages from local ingredients long before Europeans arrived.

            1. North America: Various tribes produced alcoholic drinks from berries, maize, and other native plants. For example, the Apache made tiswin from corn, and the Chicha was popular among many tribes in North America.

            2. Central America: The Aztecs brewed pulque from the sap of the agave plant. This drink was not only consumed for enjoyment but also held religious significance.

            3. South America: Chicha, a beer made from maize, was widely consumed across the Andean region. This beverage was integral to social and ceremonial functions.

            These indigenous beverages varied widely in production, ingredients, and cultural significance but demonstrate that alcohol consumption was indeed present in the New World prior to European contact.

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              Fair enough. It looks like pulque, at least, was recorded as not being used recreationally, which is probably what I was remembering, but even that I doubt, just based on human nature.

              It’s still highly unlikely Alpharabius ever discussed political philosophy over a beer. There might have been local Jews that could supply it, but the cultural taboo would have long since been totally integrated. It wasn’t ye olde prohibition or something. And it’s still not supported that drinking is objectively, universally desirable in some aesthetic sense, which is kind of what “it is cool” suggests in the original context.

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              Yep. It also causes a lot of social disorder and addiction. The argument for it is that people like it.

              If it wasn’t clear from context, I meant socially or ethically.

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                Socially or ethically, I think I know what you mean.

                I am being pedantic now and say that it can even be bad socially and ethically as a consequence of that or as a consequence of health concerns.