That’s what made me think it was across the whole Soviet Union. The cia was usually pretty specific about what particular soviet they meant because their data would be used in operations against those particular states.
So two from checks notes 80 years ago in regions that experienced famine every 10 years and never experienced famine again, one literally caused by a us blockade and one caused by a us blockade and a catastrophic flood that hit 30% of the country.
When I get back to the computer we can compare that to the famines experienced by capitalist countries during the same period.
Regardless, the suggestion that communism is somehow fundamentally bound to malnutrition is ahistorical.
Yeah that’s true, but i never said that it’s fundamentally bound.
Just that communist countries have a high amount of famines.
The proportion of number of communist countries to famines in those countries is higher than that of capitalist countries to famines in those countries.
Africa alone has enough capitalist countries (imperial holdings) with famines over the same time period to disprove that. then we can start talking about bengal and ireland.
communist countries don’t have more famines than capitalist ones.
the british made malawi pay for food aid for a famine british administrators created through mismanagement
famine in karamoja, uganda brought on by instability in the region (wonder what made it unstable… oh well, resuming patrol)
The tigray famine in ethiopia and then the 83-85 one with live aid as the cherry on top showing that not only does capitalism create and exacerbate the conditions for famine but also can’t respond to one when it’s ostensibly trying.
somalia 92’ came from conditions directly created by global capital
and if those few, i know i’m leaving so much information out, aren’t enough it is the explicit policy of the IMF and world bank to make countries dependent on food imports.
and that’s just a brief summary from the broadest overview (often minimized with language that suggests these are somehow the fault of the victims) page on shitty ol’ wikipedia. imagine what a real survey of the history from primary sources would turn up!
I’m almost 100% that it was an average but even so. May I see the famines?
The whole doc is talking about the caloric intake of a Soviet citizen
That’s what made me think it was across the whole Soviet Union. The cia was usually pretty specific about what particular soviet they meant because their data would be used in operations against those particular states.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1930–1933
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_famine
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Period
These are the ones I remember specifically
So two from checks notes 80 years ago in regions that experienced famine every 10 years and never experienced famine again, one literally caused by a us blockade and one caused by a us blockade and a catastrophic flood that hit 30% of the country.
When I get back to the computer we can compare that to the famines experienced by capitalist countries during the same period.
Regardless, the suggestion that communism is somehow fundamentally bound to malnutrition is ahistorical.
Yeah that’s true, but i never said that it’s fundamentally bound. Just that communist countries have a high amount of famines.
The proportion of number of communist countries to famines in those countries is higher than that of capitalist countries to famines in those countries.
Africa alone has enough capitalist countries (imperial holdings) with famines over the same time period to disprove that. then we can start talking about bengal and ireland.
communist countries don’t have more famines than capitalist ones.
Links dude. Let’s see em.
okay, you want links to prove that capitalist famines in africa outnumber communist famines in the whole world over the same time period:
Wikipedia article on “famine”, section “africa”
i’ll just summarize from that one section:
and if those few, i know i’m leaving so much information out, aren’t enough it is the explicit policy of the IMF and world bank to make countries dependent on food imports.
and that’s just a brief summary from the broadest overview (often minimized with language that suggests these are somehow the fault of the victims) page on shitty ol’ wikipedia. imagine what a real survey of the history from primary sources would turn up!