See that’s where we differ. I don’t give a fuck whatever they believe. I care how they act on it. I care about mitigating the actual damage they do because I have battles that I care about more than attacking them on whether or not they subscribe to belief in supernatural stuff. If their beliefs are actually doing nothing but giving them comfort that’s fine. Being right and being good sometimes require you to pick one or the other. Stripping people of the harmless things that give them comfort isn’t exactly a bro move… And “Just stop believing” is an incredibly patronizing way to deal with people. It’s just not how it works.
Not to mention if you want to stop someone from actively bad aspects of a religion trying to attack their belief directly is where the armor is thickest . They are trained to reject that out of hand. You can batter that shit all day and go no where. I attack the joints. I use whatever nessisary - I quote their scriptures and philosophies back at them, learn the historic timelines of the politics inside their movements, I approach them with kindness, I approach them using their own language because I don’t have fucking time to give a shit whether they in their heart of hearts believe in their superstitions because I don’t have time. All that really needs doing is they stop hurting us because all the rest doesn’t actually mean anything. Like if they are kind and awesome folk who totally stay in their lane but they believe in Sky daddy or crystals … Okay whatever. No skin off my nose.
People don’t actually choose what they believe. They do weigh their evidence and values but at some level it’s out of their control. Sometimes it’s because somebody else pops it in your brain at a formative time and that’s just part of your conception of the world or some other sense of personal evidence draws you to a conclusion. Did you choose to be an atheist or did you arrive at it independently ? Could you just CHOOSE to believe in Zeus or something as a matter of absolute choice? Probably not. Your beliefs formed because of your personal body of evidence drew you to to that conclusion. That’s also how some religiois people arrive at their beliefs . This doesn’t always cycle in one direction with religious people always becoming atheists. I know people who were atheists who stopped being atheists and started believing in something else. At some point a certain amount of humility is beneficial. The notion that yeah, we’re not completely rational creatures and that other people are allowed to believe stuff that you personally don’t agree… They just aren’t entitled to cause harm because of it and that also includes you does make the world a better place. If your bar is that you cannot be happy or care about people unless they agree entirely with your stance about the supernatural you are essentially gunna be holding your breath until you turn blue. Like - you can…But having zero chill isn’t exactly the most attractive social behaviour.
They need to discard magical thinking and bad reasoning. The trauma, they can deal with their therapist.
See that’s where we differ. I don’t give a fuck whatever they believe. I care how they act on it. I care about mitigating the actual damage they do because I have battles that I care about more than attacking them on whether or not they subscribe to belief in supernatural stuff. If their beliefs are actually doing nothing but giving them comfort that’s fine. Being right and being good sometimes require you to pick one or the other. Stripping people of the harmless things that give them comfort isn’t exactly a bro move… And “Just stop believing” is an incredibly patronizing way to deal with people. It’s just not how it works.
Not to mention if you want to stop someone from actively bad aspects of a religion trying to attack their belief directly is where the armor is thickest . They are trained to reject that out of hand. You can batter that shit all day and go no where. I attack the joints. I use whatever nessisary - I quote their scriptures and philosophies back at them, learn the historic timelines of the politics inside their movements, I approach them with kindness, I approach them using their own language because I don’t have fucking time to give a shit whether they in their heart of hearts believe in their superstitions because I don’t have time. All that really needs doing is they stop hurting us because all the rest doesn’t actually mean anything. Like if they are kind and awesome folk who totally stay in their lane but they believe in Sky daddy or crystals … Okay whatever. No skin off my nose.
People don’t actually choose what they believe. They do weigh their evidence and values but at some level it’s out of their control. Sometimes it’s because somebody else pops it in your brain at a formative time and that’s just part of your conception of the world or some other sense of personal evidence draws you to a conclusion. Did you choose to be an atheist or did you arrive at it independently ? Could you just CHOOSE to believe in Zeus or something as a matter of absolute choice? Probably not. Your beliefs formed because of your personal body of evidence drew you to to that conclusion. That’s also how some religiois people arrive at their beliefs . This doesn’t always cycle in one direction with religious people always becoming atheists. I know people who were atheists who stopped being atheists and started believing in something else. At some point a certain amount of humility is beneficial. The notion that yeah, we’re not completely rational creatures and that other people are allowed to believe stuff that you personally don’t agree… They just aren’t entitled to cause harm because of it and that also includes you does make the world a better place. If your bar is that you cannot be happy or care about people unless they agree entirely with your stance about the supernatural you are essentially gunna be holding your breath until you turn blue. Like - you can…But having zero chill isn’t exactly the most attractive social behaviour.
I despise people who decide how to act based on how much other people will like it.
I think we’re done here.