• Deceptichum@kbin.social
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    11 months ago

    Why are Hamas “atrocious terrorists” but Israel “don’t care very much”?

    Pretty sure they’re both terrorists, and add committing genocide onto the Israeli side.

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        No they don’t. They once had it in their charter in the 80s but updated it; and have called for a two state solution for nearly 20 years now. They even took the step of recognizing Israel, only for Netanyahu to move the goalposts. Meanwhile Netanyahu and the Likud party have genocide as their openly, publicly stated goal of destroying the nation of Palestine.

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          When did they recognize Israel? They’ve offered it as part of negotiations but so has Israel offered Palestinian Starbucks as party of negotiations. Each side included unacceptable inclusions to the other.

          This may not seem like it but it is definitely a perfect example of a skewed and one sided narrative that this site is exposed to all the time.

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              So, your argument is that an agreement by the prior state that was since rejected by the current one is the fault of the current administration which was elected in reaction to the failure of the prior Palestinian state and decent into terrorism invalidates all the reasons to terrorism coming out of the current Palestinian state? If that sounds confusing it’s because it is and it’s missing several hundred tit for tats that built up to the worst terrorist attack Israel has ever experienced. Reacting solely to that is also ignoring how things were progressively getting worse since the initial election of Hamas.

              The real issue is that the bias in the article you posted is self evident. It eliminates literally all the context around those decisions and includes only those decisions. A list of all the times that any Palestinian authority rejected the peace process without context would be just as biased but you won’t find one outside of official Israeli channels.

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                No, my argument is that Israel has been in complete control of the Occupied Palestinian Territories since 1967, after the ethnic cleansing of 1948 and brutal military law enacted on the Palestinians since. Early Zionists like Ben Guerion and later the State of Israel have always coveted the whole land of Palestine and only wielded peace process as ways to further land grab. Not too dissimilar to what America did to the Native Americans.

                I’ve read a lot of other sources, this article is just pretty on-topic for the history of the ‘peace process’

                If you want to learn more from both official Israeli documents, accounts from Israeli military officials, Arab sources, and also oral history to get a more complete picture than just info from official Israeli channels try these books by Ilan Pappe. Try your local library or library Genesis for a copy.

                Books

                The Biggest Prison on Earth: A History of the Occupied Territories. London: Oneworld Publications. 2017. ISBN 978-1-85168-587-5. Archived from the original on 14 October 2023.

                Ten Myths About Israel. New York: Verso. 2017. ISBN 9781786630193

                https://mondoweiss.net/2018/01/examining-myths-israel/

                The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine (London and New York: Oneworld, 2006). ISBN 1-85168-467-0

                A History of Modern Palestine: One Land, Two Peoples (Cambridge University Press, 2004), ISBN 0-521-55632-5

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                  1948, a conflict started by Palistinian attacks on Jews that escalated to five nations invading Israel after they determined that the situation has escalated enough to require their own sovereignty. Sure, you aren’t leaving any information out. None at all.

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        I dare you to go read their current charter. Not the one from the 80s.

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          Do you want the section where they declare their dedication to violence? Or perhaps the section where they use “from the river to the sea” as an explicit call for genocide?

          The charter was toned down. Instead of saying they want to kill all Jews, now they only want to kill all the Jews living in Israel.

          But their leaders say it best: we will repeat October 7th until Israel is destroyed.

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            How about this section?

            1. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.

            I’m sorry that you’re so down with colonialism that resistance groups fighting against oppression make you so uncomfortable. You’re whining about “Hamas calling for the genocide of Jews” yet you’re watching the supposed “Jewish homeland” (read: Jewish ethnostate) commit genocide on the people of Gaza. This to me says that you care only about Jewish life and very little or not at all about Palestinian life. You’re a racist, as all true Zionists are.

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        11 months ago

        Where as Israel has genocide as its less loudly stated but vastly more achievable goal.