People in New York City once again took to the streets to demand a permanent ceasefire in Israel’s war on Gaza and an end US aid to Israel. Protesters marched from Foley Square to NYC City Hall, Wall Street, and Washington Square Park to raise their demands. The protest took place as the United Nations Security Council was voting on a ceasefire resolution, which was vetoed by the United States.
The protest was called for by the Shut It Down for Palestine Coalition, composed of several organizations including the International Peoples’ Assembly, the Palestinian Youth Movement, the ANSWER Coalition, and National Students for Justice in Palestine, and dozens of other local New York City organizations.
We can only send thoughts and prayers to the kids dying of school shootings in our country, why do we need to fund a religious war on the other side of the world? I am seriously asking what benefit it is to the US?
Every bullet fired, every bomb dropped, is money in the bank for American military corporations. War = $$$
You’d think so, but then the same logic should apply to Ukraine right?
AIPAC owns American politicians. Ukraine doesn’t
Yeah, fair point… And don’t forget the russian assets in the GOP.
Russia owns Republicans
Both can be true. We can have a just war that prints money for bad people.
The war in Israel, however, is a bad war printing money for bad people.
Frankly, I don’t really understand how a privatized military industrial complex is not a blow to national security. You’d think we’d want more cost-effective munitions.
You mean to say it doesn’t?
It was just a comment on the fact that GOP voted down the new care package for Ukraine. If it prints money for them and their buddies they should be for it right? So what could possibly be the reason they vote it down…? coughrussian assetscough
They’re being pragmatic, they actually want to get paid, and they don’t want the US to have to pay for all of these weapons and other material. Not everyone you disagree with is a Russian asset, no matter how hard that narrative is pushed.
All of the “aid” the US has sent to Ukraine has been on credit, a 21st Century lend-lease. The original 20th century lend-lease was a roaring success in terms of subjugating the British empire, and it’s also worth noting that a lot of US representatives of that era were very hesitant to approve the “care packages” in the first place as well. The debt Britain owes the US from WWII has actually never been repaid, but the US got global hegemony out of the deal so they agreed to look the other way.
Ukraine however has no ability to pay off the debt they have already racked up, let alone more. Not just because they’ve lost militarily but also because anything remotely productive in the country (primary farmland and factories) has been parceled off to the highest (US based) bidder, destroyed via the war, or can’t be productive in the foreseeable due to the loss of working people to emigration and war.
Didn’t the CIA say Ukraine blew up Russia’s Nordstream pipeline (which carries Russian oil to Europe)?
Don’t get the downvoted, I’m not sure about the CIA but the telegraph has stated the same from their own investigation
Yeah the cia are the ones who said their info points to a Ukraine operation. Ukraine denies it but again, according to the cia report, some state actor did it.
I’m not worried about downvotes. :) as far as i know it’s not like reddit where comments get hidden so meh, and With all the disinfo out there sometimes people get a little reactionary. Its nbd
It is not a religious war. Was it a religious war when the indigenous peoples elsewhere fought against the invaders? Palestinians are no less passionate about their land than the Lakota or Zulu.
“Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. … Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice.” — David Ben Gurion. Quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky’s Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan’s “Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.
Gaza has oil. That’s all it’s ever about.
The Middle East in general has oil and Israel is our main base over there basically, being an ally in the region. They give us a zone of control. (Also Turkey but Israel is easier to control and it’s good to have backups.)
Turkey isn’t a reliable ally in the same way Israel is. Turkey is a relatively large country that has the capacity to act fully independently of any great power, and occasionally does. Israel is much smaller and can only sustain itself with US and EU support. A sanctions package like what has been applied to Russia would likely cripple Israel and see it wiped off the map rather quickly, so they have no choice but to stay on side.
Israel is also where a large percentage of our medical equipment and I think drugs too are from.
Oil.
I was under the impression that there were resources in that area that the US currently has privileged access to because of their alliances there. So they have a stake in making their allies come out on top.
Ya, stand with terrorists…sure.
Fuck Hamas and its sympathizers, but fuck Israel for all the innocents it killed. They are both fucking terrorists at this point.
Israel lost any moral high ground from 10/7 a long time ago.
Their body count on innocent people and a way higher than hamas.
Support innocent Palestinians who are being killed
“Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. … Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice.” — David Ben Gurion. Quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky’s Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan’s “Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.
About the Hamas part: AFAIK October 7th was mainly a military attack against legitimate military targets with military goals, with the (very much undeniable, don’t get me wrong) atrocities committed being individual action that hasn’t been proven to come from the top, If I’m not wrong about that understanding I don’t see how Hamas and Israel can be put in the same position here.
Wow, fuck the IDF but this is some serious dick riding for Hamas. The “lone actions of a few individuals”? Are you serious?
The “lone actions of a few individuals”? Are you serious?
Unless you have evidence beyond “Israel claims it’s real” yes, that’s what happened.
Yes. Unless you have hard numbers or evidence Hamas leadership intended to cause civilian casualties we go with innocent until proven guilty. I mean hell why would the leadership want innocents killed? That’s just bad press, and they’re more useful as hostages.
There’s plenty of evidence. What are you smoking? I have to ask are you trolling?
Evidence like what?
Yeah, so you’re completely unaware or trolling, I can’t tell. Hamas has been launching rockets into civilian area indiscriminately since forever. Hamas has sent suicide bombers into public areas with civilians for the past last thirty years. The attack on the music festival with two hundred teens and young adults killed was not the act of some lone wolf. Please tell me you’re trolling because I can’t believe people are this uninformed.
We have at least some numbers. Last I checked (which I admit was weeks ago) the death toll in Gaza was 11,000 and Israel claimed to have killed 60-80 Hamas fighters. That’s over 99% civilian deaths, and we know a significan portion of those are children. On October 7th, Palestinian militant groups killed about 1,200 people in Israel, 859 of them civilians. That’s over 71% civilian deaths, ignoring the fact that most Israeli adults are reservists and so trained fighters.
They still killed a bunch of innocents. You can not deny that, if Hamas actually had a problem with it, then they should surrender everyone who killed innocents.
Do that, and maybe we can talk.
10/7 was a terrorist attack against civilians, the blow back has disproportionately affected innocent Palestinians.
Don’t defend terrorists.
If a legitimate army had soldiers that did that they would make a VERY public display of what happens to people who attack innocent people at a music festival and release videos of them going house to house in a settlement.
I have seen the pictures and videos from both sides and they are both indefensible.
I’m waiting for the IOF to make a very public display of the apache gunners who shot indiscriminately at the festival, or the tank commanders firing indiscriminately at homes in the kibbutzim. Your argument falls flat when the Israeli army not only is killing thousands of civilians in Gaza (and are proud of it btw), but also their own citizens on Oct 7.
Got any sources on any of this?
I don’t doubt that, I clearly stated fuck them both.
I have seen the videos from Hamas going building to building and shooting out tires and trying to scare people out with them.
Everyone has seen the Israeli videos, even their best ones don’t make them look good
israel killed their own, it’s been proven and admitted even on zionist media
https://www.haaretz.co.il/news/politics/2023-11-18/ty-article/0000018b-e1a5-d168-a3ef-f5ff4d070000
also, israel admitted that hamas didn’t even know about the festival
You can not deny that, if Hamas actually had a problem with it, then they should surrender everyone who killed innocents.
Yeah they probably don’t have a problem with it, that’s true enough and can’t be defended. But they didn’t go “we should go there and kill civilians”, is what I mean. Some people have that impression about the attack and that’s playing right into Israel’s hands. Unfortunately punishing soldiers who commit warcrimes is a standard neither side is trying to reach.
Also, from what we know the music festival wasn’t a one-sided Hamas massacre; there was combat with the IDF and many of the people who died died in the crossfire. Not saying there weren’t people who killed innocents (particularly the guy who threw that one grenade should be hanged), but the image that Hamas went in guns blazing and killed a bunch of people is at this point in time plain Israeli propaganda that spread before the details were known.
Yeah I’m sure all those dead children and babies on life support were actually terrorists
Did they condemn Hamas with their last breath? If not…
/s
Nice strawman…because there’s a single person alive that accused the children and babies right? How pathetically ignorant. But you then ignore when those people you’re defending strap bombs to those children don’t you?
Better kill all of the Palestinians, even the children! One of them might have met a terrorist one time!
Right, we have to just murder those kids so they can’t be used as bombs. It’s like you’re seeing the matrix dude, amazing stuff
Both sides are shitty. One side is being significantly more shitty without restraint. If you look at numbers, one side is doing considerably more harm than the other. If you look at individual acts of shittiness, then sure, under that squinted framing, both sides are equal.
The real problem is calling all Palestinians terrorists
You’re doing that right now, dear basement troll.
“Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. … Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice.” — David Ben Gurion. Quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky’s Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan’s “Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.
