• mister_monster
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    7 months ago

    #2 represent! Getting defederated is street cred. If crybabies don’t like you you’re doing something right.

    I don’t mess with fedi anymore though, besides dicking around on here. Socially I’m all about Nostr now, it’s the future of the non corpo social media, federated network architecture is simply too prone to abuse.

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        7 months ago

        I think “#2 represent” is referring to their membership at freespeechextremist, so they are likely looking forward to wallowing in a festering cesspool of hatred.

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          Nah I leave that shit to the guys at the #1 spot on the list lol. I just say what I want. I’m actually not into being angry and hateful, but I’m also not into being told what I can and cannot say.

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              7 months ago

              It’s not about what I want to say lol typical. Take a conversation about principle and imply that I want to shout slurs.

              You don’t have the right to dictate to me what I can say out loud, period.

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                Who implied you want to shout slurs? I’m asking about the principle. What are you wanting to say that other instances are stopping you from saying? What is anyone even dictating that you cannot say out loud?

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                  “On principle what specific words do you want to say” lol yeah OK. You need to go understand what “principle” means, by definition it ignores specific circumstances.

                  When what I can say is subject to someone else’s dictat, de facto they have power over me. The interesting thing about that is that the kind of people that seek that out aren’t the kind of people who wield it wisely or fairly. I avoid giving others power over me, I can’t always prevent it, but I avoid it where I can. That’s the principle we are talking about, whether I want to give someone that power, not whether I agree with them on what words should be said. And that’s what this whole speech shit is about, not words, it’s about power. Generally I would agree with those people on what words should not be said, what I don’t agree with is giving them the power to tell me or other people that we can’t say them. I used to do the compromise thing, but those people inevitably overreach and begin to try to control what ideas are allowed to be discussed, because again, it’s about power and they’re power hungry subhuman scum who just want to dominate others.

                  No matter where you go on fedi, it’s one type of toxic or another. Either it’s people shouting the n word, or it’s people sharing drawings (at best) of little kids, or it’s power hungry subhuman scum who just want to dominate others. It’s an architectural problem endemic to the federated network architecture. So I prefer an architecture with less discoverability but which gives the user the power to censor their own feed how they see fit. There’s no real reach on either, but at least people can have their echo chambers and nobody can lean on the architecture to silence the people they don’t like.

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                    There’s a lot of referring to people as subhuman scum in there, so I am starting to see the gist of why you gravitate to something like that instance.

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        That’s actually nor possible because there’s no global feed. Your network is what you make of it. I’m not a fan of voat types so I don’t interact with them online all that often.

        It’s interesting, the people that tell you that they’re in the majority somehow also believe that online spaces that are left for open discussion don’t wind up the way they want them to, almost as if they’re a minority.

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          Or they’re just not interested in wading through far-right extremists for 3 shitty memes.

          After all, if your theory about “open spaces turn into Nazis and pedos because most people are secretly Nazis and pedos” were actually true, those sites would be the biggest sites in the world, not tiny little bubbles that last 6 months.

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            That’s the great thing, without servers and global feeds you don’t have to wade through anything.

            It’s not my theory, saying “without heavy handed moderation places turn into Nazis” is jot the same as saying “tiny little spaces designed to cater to Nazis turn into nothing but Nazis.” I’m arguing about the former statement, not whatever it is you’re saying here.

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            That’s a big part of why I have abandoned fedi actually, pretty much the while dn network is full of toxicity. I think k it’s an emergent property of the network architecture.

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        damus.io, snort.social and coracle.social seem to he popular sites, but nostr isn’t sites like the fediverse is. It’s a network made up of relays and clients, and the clients can be web clients or they can be applications on your phone or computer. I’m partial to client applications, but to dip your toes in going to a web client like the ones above work good.

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          I will ALAWYS use the web client over an app, even when they deliberately make the web client shitty to force people on the app, because fuck them trying to track my device usage to sell my data.

          Case-in-point, I use the Voyager web client so I don’t need to use the fucking app.

          So thank you for providing those web client sites.

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            Well, often Nostr clients are open source and have no telemetry. I personally prefer native applications when I can verify that that is the case.