Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and other European leaders have applauded the US for passing a vital €89 billion aid bill which has been struggling to make it through the House of Representatives for months.

The House swiftly approved roughly €89 billion in foreign aid for Ukraine, Israel and other US allies in a rare Saturday session as Democrats and Republicans banded together after months of hard-right resistance over renewed American support for repelling Russia’s invasion.

With an overwhelming vote, €57 billion in aid for Ukraine passed in a matter of minutes, a strong showing as American lawmakers race to deliver a fresh round of US support to the war-torn ally. Many Democrats cheered on the House floor and waved blue-and-yellow flags of Ukraine.

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    8 months ago

    So what is it I lie about?
    What is this leftist fetish of accusing people of lying, and not point out what they consider a lie (and I’m not even talking about proving the opponents wrong by providing some arguments, this clearly requires too much intelligence, right?)?..

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      8 months ago

      Because it’s just easier to down vote and move along. We’re not being paid like you are. Plus, fascism is incredibly hard to stomach for normal people. You wouldn’t understand.

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        8 months ago

        Sure, everybody who disagrees with your opinion is getting paid

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          8 months ago

          You’re right, you could actually be a fascist and do it for free. Shrug Or you actually believe their propaganda, I guess… But if I were you I think I’d rather people believe I was being paid.

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            8 months ago

            You’re right, you could actually be a fascist and do it for free

            What a wonderful time we live in, expressing an opinion that murdering people is not OK is now considered fascist :)

            Or you actually believe their propaganda

            Again, you did not even specify what propaganda do I believe? Seriously, why is everybody here so incapable of having a discussion?
            Ok I’ll bite and play a guessing game with you.
            Do you consider that “Zelenskyy is the one not negotiating while Russia has repeatedly said it is willing to negotiate” a propaganda?
            If so, just let me know and I will give you sources for that, I just though that it is widely known?

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              The point is that it’s a shit argument because you don’t negociate with terrorists. If I come into your house and claim the kitchen as my own because it used to be mine 50 years ago, will you say “ok, fine, keep it, but promise me you won’t take the bathroom or the living room later”?

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                If I come into your house and claim the kitchen as my own because it used to be mine 50 years ago

                Do you really not see the irony? Not even the smallest bit? Holy shit…

                You can’t claim my kitchen because it was your 50 years ago, but Ukraine can claim Crimea because it used to be theirs 10 years ago?
                So the period where you can claim something as your because it belonged to you some time ago is greater than 10 years but smaller than 50 years, is that right?
                Okay I actually know the answer to that question - it’s “whatever USA says it is” (rephrased to something like international agreements or UN stuff), sure.

                Anyway, this is offtopic. Calling each other terrorists (yeah Russia does that as well) is as counter-productive as it gets, but let’s discuss it anyway.
                Definition (from wikipedia, not mine!):

                Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of intentional violence and fear to achieve political or ideological aims. The term is used in this regard primarily to refer to intentional violence during peacetime or in the context of war against non-combatants. There are various different definitions of terrorism, with no universal agreement about it.
                

                Regime of zelensky uses violence (in the form of kidnapping people on the streets and sending them to the meat grinder) and fear (people fear to go outside because they can be kidnapped at any time, fear for themselves and for their family) to achieve political aims of conquering territories (you can read it as “reclaiming”, does not matter).
                So isn’t it the west that shouldn’t be negotiating with zelensky and instead sending military aid to Russia to deal with terrorists as soon as possible?

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                  See? This is why nobody talks to you. Because you think Russia “owns” Crimea because they took it 10 years ago. Because you think Russia owns abkazia and south Ossetia because they took it in 2008. Chechnya in 2000 and Transnistria in 92.

                  You don’t wanna admit it, because as I’ve said, you’re either getting paid or you’re too dumb to see it, but the common denominator is Russia here. They’re the aggressors.

                  And let’s not pretend that all the Russians that have suddenly showed up in western countries aren’t running away from getting drafted. All the poor ones that couldn’t are doing what? Living happily in Russia or are sent to the front? Ofc you’ll say they’re all happily serving. Except for all the ones that have surrendered and claimed they weren’t even told they were going to war. But that’s all Ukrainian propaganda, right?

                  Everything Russia does is fine and normal and everything Ukraine does is kidnap, kill, corruption, etc. Right? Makes perfect sense… When you’re being paid by one side… Shrug I’m done… Hope you get whatever it is you deserve :) bb!

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                    And let’s not pretend that all the Russians that have suddenly showed up in western countries aren’t running away from getting drafted

                    Thank you for proving my point! Yes, you are right, they are running away from getting draft.
                    Because they can! They have a choice! Ukrainians don’t. Ukrainians are trapped in Ukraine and slowly getting butchered thanks to the support from your government.