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Don’t worry about not knowing anything about “patriotic socialism”, it’s a total joke with not many followers.
Haz and Maupen are jokes, but more insidious are those like PCUSA and MWM who pretend to be MLs and draw in potential comrades by letting settlers keep their biases.
Here’s what Patriotic socialism is in general: https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Patriotic_socialism Here’s the specific instance I’m referring to: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/595124
Stalin:
I know that after my death a pile of rubbish will be placed upon my grave, but the winds of history will sooner or later sweep it away without mercy
Patsocs:
the rubbish pile is based actually
We posted the same thing at the same time, lol. A testament to the ubiquity of prolewiki in this space.
Patriotic “socialism” is basically just “MAGA communists” but unironically. But also instead of reading any left wing theory they just cherry pick quotes to pretend that you can be pro american and a communist at the same time (they’re also pretty queerphobic and racist).
No real communists take them seriously at all.
I wasn’t talking about the openly racist and queerphobic type, I was talking about the ones that hide it most of the time until the topic of the “ultra left” comes up. Refer to this: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/595124
Related: newspaper criticizing not sufficient pace of ukrainization of trade unions in Berdyansk
But ask a a lib and they’ll tell you at length about how “USSR was erasing Ukrainian culture and had a policy of Russification”
In hindsight it the policy of Ukrainization was probably a mistake. The other коренизация policies were fine but this one ended up doing more harm than good. Still, they could not have known this at the time.
What about the Baltics? Caucasus republics? Central Asia? Even in hindsight it’s hard to say for sure
Overall i think korenizatsia there was more justified as they dealt with clearly distinct nations whereas Ukraine was always a grey zone in this regard. It also seems to have been handled better in those cases, but i’m not an expert on this topic. I could be totally wrong, i’m eager to learn more if you have any insights.
I’ll just say we have the benefit of hindsight, and if they knew how things would eventually turn out i think the Bolsheviks probably would have opted for an approach more similar to China’s policy toward ethnic minorities. However, China is a unitary state and the USSR was a union of republics, very different systems and that fact alone restricts you in the kind of approach that you can take to such issues.
Communism without borders when?
After the global revolution, methinks
Soon as we fix the climate crisis. Time to get out the ice cubes!
ONCE AND FOR ALL
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I woulda passed to Stalin in the blunt rota
Doesn’t matter as to WHO it gets passed to so long as it always gets passed on the left-- and honestly, much love to Stalin but I’m hoping Ture or Seale are on my left.
The biggest mistake any good old school lefty does is die.
I assume Seale is Bobby Seale. Not sure who Ture is referring to. But in a better world, I’d like to think these guys would be reenacting the Grand Old Gang Andy Thomas painting. Just sitting around, shooting the shit, confident that they’d made the world a better place.
Kwame Ture; formerly Stokely Carmichael. You’re on the nose with Bobby tho; and I think if I pick up my AI prompt experimentation schtick again, I might just try to see how well I can make stable diffusion fill that painting with civil rights icons instead of a gaggle of settlers lmao
When I first got into DemSoc stuff, I talked to a few Patsocs online, even knew one in person. It was always good talking about Unions and large corporations and stuff, Capatalism 101 basically, and they were even cool with anti-war stuff, but if you prod a little further there’s not much more substance, a lot of wishy-washy opinions on trans people or Black Liberation stuff. To be clear, they were rarely (except a few online) against these groups outright, but usually they would be like “comms should focus on what’s more important before focusing on social issues.” Which WOULD make sense if the social issues currently existing were just “what’s your favorite food?” “What’s your preferred method of pronouncing the word Carribean?” It’s “should women be allowed bodily autonomy?” “Should White Supremacy be allowed in Police Forces?” “Should Trans people be allowed to EXIST?” Like if you don’t care about these issues, then you aren’t really a communist, you’re just pissed at your boss
Where did Stalin say this? I want to read it.
The quote is from Marxism and the National Question, the very work the patsocs misuse to justify their characterization of some oppressed nations as legitimate.
Pro Tip: read from right to left
For the top part only, but yeah. I didn’t feel like reversing all the top parts of my image.
Honestly I wonder what the point of revolution would be if you were gonna go out of your way to not just preserve all the most damning qualities of existing society, but further entrench them.
I got into radical politics in hopes of finding a world completely unlike this one dammit
Like the social democrats they just want white people to have healthcare, but they’re more larpey about it.
Edit: just heard a relevant quote:
What is to be done? Nothing more than to destroy the present form of civilization. -Gramsci
“National self-determination? That’s ethnic cleansing!” - vaushites
