• FlihpFlorp@lemm.eeEnglish
    29·
    4 days ago

    So given lemm.ee is shutting down, what exactly is piefed

    All ik is it’s a different “app” than lemmy but still communicates with it

    • vaguerant@fedia.io
      40·
      4 days ago

      As you’re kind of implying by putting “app” in scare quotes, it’s really an entirely separate platform. Any service that implements ActivityPub can theoretically access any part of the fediverse. There’s a subset of the fediverse (sometimes called the threadiverse) which platforms like Lemmy and PieFed are built to work with, where you have threads organized into communities and up- and downvote stuff.

      PieFed and Lemmy have largely similar goals in the sense that they’re two ways to join and interact in the same threadiverse communities, but PieFed’s development has been characterized by rapid growth, as indicated in the meme. This means it can do most or all of what Lemmy does, plus extra stuff that’s exclusive to PieFed.

      Right now, that means things like anonymous voting, de-duplication of posts (they get combined into a single post with separate comment sections of each repost), filtering of “bad” images (like in the Nicole gore saga), warning labels on link posts with unreliable sources, support for “topics” (like multireddits from the old place), a marker for consistently low-reputation users; basically, it’s a bunch of quality-of-life stuff. In theory, rapid development could also mean things breaking more often, although I haven’t seen any of that personally.

      I’m commenting from Mbin, a whole separate platform again, so arguably I’m impartial. I don’t have an account on either Lemmy or PieFed.

      • LumpyPancakes@piefed.socialPortuguês
        7·
        3 days ago

        I’m here for the de duplication. It’s great.

        Still waiting for a stable non-pwa app (interstellar isn’t there yet) but unless I’m lying on my side (the PWA goes landscape irrespective of Android settings) it’s my daily driver now :)

          • LumpyPancakes@piefed.socialPortuguês
            4·
            3 days ago

            They say that, but it shows the wrong profile name for me, and on a post with 120+ comments it only shows me five. In time they’ll get there, although I kinda hope Voyager adopts it since I’m more used to that as an ex RiF refugee.

            • jwr1@kbin.earth
              3·
              3 days ago

              shows the wrong profile name for me

              What do mean by wrong profile name? You went into your account overview and it showed a different username from the one you were signed in to?

              post with 120+ comments it only shows me five

              I’m looking into this as we speak.

              Please bear with us, as the PieFed API has literally just been enabled mainstream. The only PieFed user base we’ve had up until now was in a testing environment.

              • LumpyPancakes@piefed.socialEnglish
                1·
                3 days ago

                Ok. So I wanted to retire my old username BagOfHeavyStones since it was kind of odd. I thought ok, I’ll have to use a new email address (using the + option on Gmail) and create a new account. However, to my surprise, PieFed allowed me to create a new profile but still keep the same email address.

                Now, that is kinda handy, but I suspect most apps would not anticipate this. As a result, when I posted in Interstellar it showed my old username as the author, but the PWA displayed the new one.

                Not sure if this link will work: https://piefed.social/post/813652#comment_6420389

                Thanks for all your work!

      • FlihpFlorp@lemm.eeEnglish
        3·
        3 days ago

        Yeah I know lemmy, piefed, and mbin are all seperate, app, software, techno beeple boops, whatever… that they’re all different thing but communicate with each other. De duplication sounds really nice, and as a comment section lurker the aggregation of cross posts like another comment and you said sounds really nice. All the QoL stuff sounds pretty neato.

        One thing I did say in my other comment is I like lemm.ee admins federation policy of block the spam and illegal instances and letting me block NSFW and bots

        I also remember hearing about the Mbin version when the Kbin dev fell off the face of the earth and meaning to check it out (I’m sure you can guess how that went) mind telling me about that. Again like piefed all ik is it’s a separate platform that can view lemmy content

        • vaguerant@fedia.io
          2·
          2 days ago

          One thing I did say in my other comment is I like lemm.ee admins federation policy of block the spam and illegal instances and letting me block NSFW and bots

          Ah, right. I was talking more from a broader software perspective rather than individual instances; I’m not sure what individual instances’ federation policies are like. Probably the big three that people want to know about most of the time are lemmy.ml, lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net. I know the mainline instance piefed.social allows the first one but blocks the other two, so that probably extends a bit further than what you’re looking for. I’m not sure if there are any other instances that have looser federation settings.

          I also remember hearing about the Mbin version when the Kbin dev fell off the face of the earth and meaning to check it out (I’m sure you can guess how that went) mind telling me about that. Again like piefed all ik is it’s a separate platform that can view lemmy content

          I’d say the most significant feature Mbin has over Lemmy is microblog support. You can switch between threads (Lemmy/Reddit-style) and microblogs (Mastodon/Twitter-style) and post or read from both “sides” of the fediverse. If you have people you’re interested in following but don’t want to set up a whole Mastodon account, etc., Mbin allows you to do that. For example, I follow a couple of celebrities with fediverse accounts, some software developers (web browsers, games, emulators) and a few friends who post.

          The other big thing Mbin has currently is that it automatically translates remote links to their local equivalent. I’m on fedia.io but if somebody from a foreign instance or even foreign software links to a post on their server, Mbin will link me to the local version instead so that I can immediately vote and reply, without having to track it down manually.

          Something big that Mbin is lacking currently is the ability to block instances you don’t like. You can block individual users or communities, but if there’s an entire instance you want to get rid of, your only option is to petition the instance administrators to defederate from it. Since that’s an important feature for you, I don’t think Mbin is right for you, at least until that feature (which is planned) gets added.

          • FlihpFlorp@lemm.eeEnglish
            3·
            2 days ago

            I might try out Mbin tho thanks for the write up!

            Yeah as for the instance blocking tho I’ll manage, I can probably just block all the political communities

    • MimicJar@lemmy.worldEnglish
      111·
      3 days ago

      Think of it like web browsers.

      You can visit websites using Firefox, or you can visit websites using Chrome. Websites all speak the same language, so both Firefox & Chrome can load them.

      In the case of Lemmy & PieFed, they also speak the same language, in this case that language (or protocol) is called ActivityPub.

      So if you use a Lemmy app, it can talk to the different Lemmy servers, but it can also talk to different PieFed servers. Similarly if you use a PieFed app, it can talk to the different PieFed servers, but it can also talk to Lemmy servers.

      Now Lemmy & PieFed are not the exact same. In the same way British English and American English are not the exact same. So your Lemmy app might not let you login to a PieFed instance directly. But they are similar, so maybe one day.

      Since you are a lemm.ee user, your instance is going away, so you’ll need to pick a new instance. You can pick a Lemmy instance or a PieFed instance, but the one you pick may limit the apps your able to use. Both also have websites/web apps, so if you’re happy with the web version, you can use that too.

      I’ll also add that PieFed has some features that Lemmy doesn’t have. So if you pick PieFed you may get some new features. The downside may be that you can’t use your favorite app anymore.

      I suggest trying both, but it you’re not sure or ready, you can just pick another Lemmy server. You can always try PieFed at a later date.

    • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
      23·
      3 days ago

      PieFed is like Lemmy in the same way that Lemmy is like Reddit.

      One thing I absolutely adore about PieFed is the focus on democratization of moderation: by putting the power to choose your own experience into the hands of the users, you reduce the burden of moderation, e.g. the reason that Lemm.ee is shutting down. For example a new user account that joined less than two weeks ago gets an icon next to the username, and accounts that post 10x more often than comment (unregistered bot?), and people who receive 10x more downvotes than upvotes (troll?), so at a glance you can get more of a feel what you are up against before or as you reply to someone.

      I dislike how Lemmy is somehow more authoritian than Reddit itself: yes there is a modlog but no modmail, no notification sent about a moderation event, no ability to ask questions why, nor even acknowledgment as to which mod did the action so that you can tag them (without having to put the full list of mods) elsewhere. Moreover, I do not expect this to ever change, not in five years nor ten, and in fact this aspect of Lemmy has actually gotten worse over time - Lemmy after all was founded by the tankies who were kicked off of Reddit for being too toxic, then decided to make their own Reddit, with blackjack and hookers:-). Which they did, and kudos, and it’s absolutely great to see… but tankies are well known for their authoritarianism, see e.g. admin practices on Lemmy.ml.

      PieFed is already doing things that Reddit had not. The goal of Reddit was to increase shareholder profits, not improve end user experience. PieFed is the second non-tankie implementation of a true Reddit alternative, after Kbin/Mbin, but PieFed is under very active development and in many ways has already surpassed Lemmy. See it for yourself - e.g. every cross-post has all the comments combined across all of the cross-postings, and the categories of communities (user customizable and shareable btw) are adorable.

      https://piefed.social/

      Mobile app

      Example cross-post showing all comments across all posts

      • FlihpFlorp@lemm.eeEnglish
        5·
        3 days ago

        Ooh u might check it out then

        I really like about lemm.ee in the admins block illegal and spam instances then I’m free to block NSFW and bots myself. As for moderation stuff yeah I remember a whole controversy over people not wanting to donate to lemmy admins but also not wanting to fund their political views. As for the comments that sounds awesome, I like to lurk and browse comments that aggregation sounds awesome. Also completly forgot about mbin might check them out

        • Ledericas@lemm.eeEnglish
          4·
          3 days ago

          lemmy.ml, lemmygrad, and hexbear are the big 3 ultra “left” ones, they were so annoying that i had them blocked.

        • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
          1·
          3 days ago

          If it helps, there is a difference between the software PieFed vs. the current selection of instances, like PieFed.social is the flagship instance and I have never seen NSFW stuff on it, although there is a NSFW tag (+ also a NSFL one as well). But other instances may choose to host NSFW content if they want to.

    • mesa@piefed.socialEnglish
      14·
      4 days ago

      Basically. Everything is still fediverse. Its just a different flavor. And has many benefits.

    • flamingos-cant@feddit.ukMEnglish
      7·
      4 days ago

      Basically a Python implementation of Lemmy, so they can talk to and share content with each other. Has different features and development priorities, which may or may not appeal to you.

  • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
    6·
    3 days ago

    And also when you don’t look away too, except it’s somehow even more awesome watching it build itself real-time:-).