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    FYI this does not include spreadsheets, so if you’re hoping to replace an office suite, it’s not there yet.

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      However, subscribing is aiding in their funding, and that could help get them there quicker.

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      Maybe Cryptpad would be a good option if you need spreadsheets more than documents.

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    Has anyone used it?

    How did you get to it?

    Clicked the link:

    At that time, if you go to drive.proton.me(new window) and click on New in the top left, you will see the ability to create a New document

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    What would be the benefits of this over Nextcloud, apart from not having to set it up?

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      Lack of true open cooperation? Oh wait, you said benefit… Ease of use? Maybe? And slightly less buggy?

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      I don’t think it’s Nextcloud competition so much as Google Drive competition, which is certainly closed-source.

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      Over nextcloud probably the e2ee. I suppose soon they will also integrate this better with email (like you can attach directly and save directly from email), so the seamless integrations with the rest of the products will probably amount to other benefits over time.

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    “After years of pushing their proprietary and closed solutions to privacy minded people Proton decided that it was in their best interest to further bury said users into their service as a form of vendor lock-in. To achieve this they made yet anoter non-standard groupware feature - a document editor.

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      4 months ago

      Is there an open standard for encrypted asynchronous colabreative document creation and editing?

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        4 months ago

        As open components, we have the OpenDocument standard + signal protocol for E2EE + CRDTs for conflict resolution. No idea whether they’re compatible though.

        As a product, Collabora Online is open and collaborative.

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          Collabra seems close. They do use ODF. And you can host you’re own server.
          But they don’t seem to use E2EE. And the collaborative aspect doesn’t apear to be an open standard you can use with different software packages.

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            E2EE would be nice, but what’s your idea of open standard for collaboration as opposed to simply open source?

            If we had multiple software solutions implementing the same ways of collaborating what would be gained / in what ways would they differentiate and still remain compatible?

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              Our comments right here on the Fediverse, are a good example.
              Lemmy, Mastodon, Pixelfed, PeerTube, and numerous others, all use the same open communication standard; Offering very different services and experiences.

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      Exactly. At this point idk why anyone bothers migrating to things that are not backed by open standards. The price of vendor lock-in always comes.

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        Until I can easily export the data, where is the vendor lock?

        Vendor lock means that migrating away has significant cost or technical challenges.

        Take this case: documents saved are first of all easily downloadable from drive (in bulk), and also exportable in markdown.

        They change pricing/add features that I don’t want/sell off the company (hard now that it’s managed by a nonprofit but still) etc.? I make a nice bulk download and move everything in whatever other system I want. I can do the same for contacts, email (I use my own domains) and calendar. Basically, 1h + the time to download files and I am moved to another provider.

        Can you elaborate in what you think the vendor lock looks like?

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      I want Proton to replace Google. I wish for that. And during this time we can use open source software as well

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    For every proton post, can we please get a bot that auto posts these, to save everyone the effort:

    • proton isn’t private / yes it is / they never claimed to be
    • wasnt there a case when they shared that activist account / you have the facts wrong, here’s what actually happened
    • [insert proton app name] for Linux when? / Linux is only x% of user base
    • proton needs to finish [insert proton app name] before starting something new / they are different teams so not relevant
    • proton needs to make X / no they don’t
    • people shouldn’t put all their eggs in one basket / don’t use the service then

    Thanks!

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    wasn’t proton revealed to be bullshitting about privacy recently?

    edit: swiss courts compelled protonmail to log IPs, keep fingerprints of browsers and disclose them to authorities. there is no privacy.

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      And they specifically logged and delivered data about freedom fighters and environmentalists, so there’s some bias on Proton’s hand there.