I’m a bit disappointed with the hypocrisy of some commenters here.
So many very questionable articles, posts and statements that can’t be verified regarding IDF crimes get treated as the absolute truth. Yet a statement regarding a fake story, verified by Hamas and Al Jazeera, gets reported and isn’t trustworthy, since it’s from an institution aligned with Israel?
Holy echo chamber, batman.
Yeah I just stopped taking any comments on the fediverse on this topic seriously. People on here are often the extreme left or right it seems. And to have any nuisance gets you yelled at by both.
mostly extreme left but you are also right there are extreme right views.
To me it demonstrated what I was already suspecting, that the far left is just as susceptible to misinformation as the far right. They usually have good intentions (apart from tankies), unlike people on the far right, but they are just as easily misled and painfully unaware of it.
i think at this point the term useful idiot can aptly describe the far left,good intented but some how causing more harm than good.
Don’t get me wrong,the far right is also the same,only i consider the far right crazy to begin with and there are also useful idiots there but just more pronounced in the far left.
Which makes tye problem worse. For many people, the default reaction to strong resistance is to double down in one’s own beliefs.
To say that I am disappointed would imply having had expectations, and I’ve long since stopped having those here.
I don’t know. These plenty of weaponized information going both ways. Articles like this do it best because of the gotcha manner, enraging people. This article seems to be pretty successful in that manner.
The one big hypocrisy is that there’s clearly one side that bans reporters from entering the area. Therefore obscuring the unbiased news gathering. This leads to mud flinging and biased reporting on both sides, inflaming the readership.
We’re being played, threads like this are a battlefield. Are you confident enough that you’re not the baddies?
Could someone first post the Al Jazeera article instead?
Al Jazeera removed a video from an article after the woman’s allegations were debunked.
A lot of Israel crimes are documented by videos, it doesn’t mean that there is no fake news to make Israel looks even words. Pro israel do the same thing they believe everything IDF says with no proof.
Nobody is saying JPost is lying about this. They’re saying that the conclusion they reach (that Hamas and Al-Jazeera lied and Al-Jazeera is a Qatari mouthpiece) is disingenuous as fuck.
It’s not in dispute. Al Jazeera is literally the state media of Qatar. Their reporting speaks for itself. They follow none of the usual rules of ethical journalism. The hallmarks of their reporting is anonymous and dateless reports taken and published as fact, no disclaimers when reports are unverified, citations to itself, failing to seek and report comment from involved parties, and constant inflammatory and loaded language.
And that’s the English edition. The Arab language version is far worse.
I can’t imagine.
Wait, what’s inaccurate about that? Hamas lies all the time and nobody with any brain cells left regards Al-Jazeera as anything but the media wing of the Qatari dictatorship.
The woman who spoke about rape justified her exaggeration and incorrect talk by saying that the goal was to arouse the nation’s fervor and brotherhood,” adding critically that “As if more than thirty thousand martyrs, ninety thousand wounded, about a million displaced people, and comprehensive destruction were not enough!”
People in Gaza exaggerating and lying to the media to gain false sympathy?
Well I never!
I commented something like this on a post about Hamas rapes in Israel, but it got removed for “defending genocide” or something:
Here’s the thing about rape in war… it almost always happens. You’d be hard-pressed to find a war that doesn’t involve mass rapes by both sides. Maybe this one was fabricated, but it is happening. One woman fabricating her story doesn’t mean it isn’t happening. It’s a perennial problem.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Al Jazeera columnist and former director Yasser Abuhilalah also tweeted, admitting that, “It was revealed through Hamas investigations that the story of the rape of women in Al-Shifa Hospital was fabricated… The woman who spoke about rape justified her exaggeration and incorrect talk by saying that the goal was to arouse the nation’s fervor and brotherhood,” adding critically that “As if more than thirty thousand martyrs, ninety thousand wounded, about a million displaced people, and comprehensive destruction were not enough!”
The original story published by Al Jazeera featured a “testimony” by Jamila Al-Hessi, a Gazan woman who claimed that while she was under siege in the area of the hospital complex, she witnessed IDF soldiers “raping women then killing them and burning entire families alive.”
The fake testimony went viral, with many expressing their rage at Israel and at what they deemed Arab failure to protect the honor of Palestinian women, even asking where Hamas and the resistance had gone.
However, Israeli news blogger Abu Ali Express also reported that the viral fake testimony also had unexpected reverse ripple effects, leading many Gazans to flee their homes in the northern Gaza strip southwards, which may explain the unusual event of a Hamas investigation into the details.
Al Jazeera was founded with the financial help of the Qatari royal family and has served for decades as a mouthpiece for the regime, which provides lavish asylum for the leaders of Hamas, a group designated as a terror organization by the US, Canada, the EU, Israel, and other nations.
Foreign Minister Israel Katz responded to the report, writing on X: "Look surprised, the Palestinians fabricate stories of rape to incite antisemitism.
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Stop allowing Jerusalem Post on this community. They are aligned to Israel and cannot be trusted any more than the daily wire.
They are a quality independent publication, unlike Al-Jazeera. You just don’t like it, because it’s from the “wrong” country.
What a trash article. So when a single woman lies to a newspaper, that makes it entirely bad? Al-Jazeera is a Qatari mouthpiece?
That’s right coming from an apartheid enabling, mouthpiece of their country’s theocratic fascist leader that publishes lies all the fucking time.
I am still surprised as to why Jpost is still being allowed here
Agreed. reported too.
Al-Jazeera is a Qatari mouthpiece?
Allegedly.
Whoever says the contrary will wake up suicided by 19 shots in the back of their head… allegedly
The point is that Palestine has a history of exaggerating and straight-up lying about Israel’s “atrocities” in an attempt to control its own population. All the way from 1948.
JPost could be slanted, but so was the Al-Jazeera article. Should we also ban all articles from them? Also The Guardian reports only pro-Palestinian stances. Should they be banned?
Or perhaps should we accept that news papers have positions.
JPost could be slanted, but so was the Al-Jazeera article. Should we also ban all articles from them? Also The Guardian reports only pro-Palestinian stances. Should they be banned?
yes. no one need biased stories.
Yes, let’s ban everything this guy doesn’t agree with.
Well, at least you’re consistent.
And Israel doesn’t exaggerate? C’mon man. They’ll find whatever excuse they want to arrest, torture and kill not only Palestinians, but Lebanese people too.
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No one in their right mind would have a pro-israel stance anyway, you cant exaggerate israels atrocities because they literally are and have been committing a genocide since 1948, right in front of our eyes, it can’t get much worse than that
No one in their right mind, except the diplomatic and intelligence corps of the western world. Plenty of reasonable people who know a lot more about this than you don’t share your opinion. Don’t shoot the messenger.
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Removed under the civility rule. You can attack Israel all you want, but don’t attack other users.
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Ohh let’s see the outrage from Lemmy leftists in the comments about this:
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I rather they lie than you know, rape.
You’re using the IDF think-piece of the fucking JERUSALEM POST to “debunk” their claims?
Libs will do anything in the fucking world to avoid saying they’re the bad guys in an engagement.
You think the Jerusalem Post is automatically a mouthpiece of the IDF, just because it’s based on Jerusalem? How does that make any sense?
People are actually dying from this conflict and the first thing you guys do is argue behind your fucking keyboards about two shitty publications and a fake story?
Not surprised. Pallywood has been churning out content since 10/7. Do we even know how many dead there are in Palestine? Might be grossly exaggerated by Hamas.
Multiple sources including scientific journals, have backed up the death numbers. [1][2] I get it probably makes it easier to sleep to think Israel isn’t murdering thousands and thousands of kids but that’s the truth.
Are you okay with killing a Palestinian child if it would kill a Hamas member? Would you personally be okay pulling the trigger? Palestine has one of the youngest populations in the world and is one of the most densely populated areas. Dropping endless bombs is going to kill kids. Israel says it’s to kill Hamas, so they’re happy to kill children to make that happen. Are you?
If you would kill one child to kill a Hamas member, would you kill two? How many dead kids would it take for you to personally say, “maybe that’s enough dead kids, regardless of any supposed benefit, I can’t kill any more kids”?
[1]https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(23)02640-5/fulltext
