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At-will state fantasies
Exactly this. If you don’t want me to quit without notice, do you also vote against politicians who vote for “right-to-work” legislation?
Yeah, you don’t get to write a fucking law that says you can fire me on the spot for any reason at all and then insist that I give you two weeks.
Besides, these days it’s a different world - there’s a labor shortage. A serious one. Warm body? You’re hired. Nobody gives a fuck. They can’t afford to. Especially in minimum wage.
Unless you’re in IT, apparently? Idk.
Relatedly, my conspiracy theory is that the spate of recent layoffs are coordinated pushback against all the strikes and unionizing as well as pushback against RTO etc. Just a wild idea I had… May be total horseshit, idk.
On the other hand, we have seen collusion in the past within some sectors (e.g., price fixing, no poach agreements, wage fixing), and antitrust violations often go unpunished or weakly penalized, corporate leadership is strongly driven by profit often to the exclusion of ethics and at the expense of all else. And employee compensation is a significant part of most company budgets. So, I think my wild idea is at least somewhat plausible.
Unless you’re in IT, apparently? Idk
As someone from IT, there isn’t really a shortage. There are literal crowds of quite advanced developers searching for jobs. The only problem is that they don’t have commercial experience and all companies only want seniors/teamleads/cto’s with 10+ years of experience, to do at best middle-level developer’s jobs. The shortage is artificial, but, I’m not complaining, as it’s the only reason I get paid decent wage.
IT’s a lot bigger than dev
It’s my fault. I finally got so fed up with blue collar stuff that I decided to start getting into the tech field, then pretty much immediately it all collapsed. Sorry for trying lol
If they’ll fire us with no notice, we should quit with no notice.
The only reason to give notice is if there are benefits to giving notice, like having banked PTO paid out or something (if you’re in a state where it’s not required to be paid out). Otherwise, absolutely call the morning of and let them know you quit.
That may not be the best advice. Depends on your industry, but burning a bridge so quickly may hurt you in the future. I’ve had former coworkers and other managers help me get my foot in the door for another job.
Besides, there’s something cathartic about knowing the end is right there and still getting paid for it.
Yea, I should have been explicit for the caveat being that it’s not a job you need as a reference or anything. If you’re in retail, they don’t give a shit about past jobs, just that you’re a body now. If your current retail gig is toxic, that’s when to pull this shit out.
Depending on the job, that can be pretty fucked up for the people you work with. Your co-workers often deserve some consideration too. If you’re doing something that doesn’t require knowledge transfer, then whatever, but if you have specific and complex knowledge of systems that you need to transfer to other people who will be responsible for maintaining them in your absence, it’s pretty messed up to just dump that shit in their lap.
Your co-workers often deserve some consideration too.
If they don’t like it, they should unionize.
Unionization doesn’t magically allow everyone to know everything about what happens at your place of work.
While I doubt this actually happened, I’m still disturbed by everyone cheering it on absent any context that would make OP not look like a petulant child.
Quitting without notice doesn’t require justification, fuck the bosses, whatever.
But for all we know, this manager had bent over backwards to stand up for their employees, or cover for them. Maybe this employee took advantage of that and was miserable to his coworkers. Those are just as likely as anything else, given that no further information was provided.
At least invent a backstory how this manager was dogshit or abusive, or the company was awful. Make us want to believe that you’re not just someone with a persecution complex who’s quick to anger and lash out.
I’d be more inclined to see your point, except that the manager in question said “each job requires 2 weeks notice” like he was indignant that he didn’t get something he deserved.
That’s not only not true at all, it’s active manipulation on their part in a hail Mary attempt to have their work covered for enough time to look for another employee.
It may be unprofessional to quit without notice, but it’s really unprofessional to present the act of quitting as requiring 2 weeks’ notice, particularly in a place that might also allow the employer to fire someone for any reason at any time with no notice.
it’s really unprofessional to present the act of quitting as requiring 2 weeks’ notice
If it’s part of the contract then it’s not unprofessional at all to bring up the terms that you’ve agreed on. My job requires a month’s notice and it wouldn’t be unprofessional for my employer to bring that up if I tried to quit on the spot.
That being said, I don’t live in a place with “at-will employment”, which is a fucking travesty and should never have been allowed in the first place.
Mine tend to ball out to a month’s notice (on either side) for every year employed at the company…but i do business critical shit. I do not get the impression this is what is in the text conversation depicted.
I’m not from the US but I always assumed “at-will employment” works both ways. You’re telling me it doesn’t?
It’s not typically written into the contract for most jobs I’ve seen, but it’s still considered very unprofessional to leave without giving the company time to find a replacement. It doesn’t just mess with the company or your boss; it messes with your coworkers, too, who now have to pick up the slack.
Basically, while it’s not written into your contract, it’s still considered socially unacceptable not to give a two week notice barring any unusual circumstances.
Na my dude, as long it’s not considered at least as unprofessional for companies to let people on the spot they can go an fuck them self.
Want a mandated notice period? Put it in contract for both parties. That’s how it works in countries with sane worker laws.
It’s not unprofessional at all; at worst, it’s discourteous, because notice of departure has zero to do with your professional conduct, it’s a courtesy. You can professionally quit on the spot, look:
“Due to a change of personal circumstances, I will be resigning immediately, effective at the end of the day. I will work with you to make this transition as smooth as possible within that timeframe, but it is not negotiable.”
It’s always been in my contracts, a month’s notice is the norm here. I’ve never broken that but I’ve also been fortunate enough to work at places where work and life are balanced. I wouldn’t have wanted to disrupt the work for my colleagues and my managers have always shown their respect for me to the point that I want to work with them instead of against them. I don’t think I’ll ever work for an employer that puts the company over the wellbeing of their employees. I’ve seen what being a real team means. People cooperate freely and go the extra mile for eachother if necessary and cut massive amounts of slack to anybody in the team that’s having a tough time and needs to focus on their life outside of work for a bit.
That said I won’t ever get any bonuses or make large amounts of money in my career either but that’s not what I’m after if it would mean putting work before life.
If it’s considered ‘unprofessional’ then that is a raging misconception. At will contracts also mess wirh the company and your coworkers, demanding a courtesy you won’t give your workers is horseshit.
The manager is an agent of the company, the default assumption is that they have the company’s interests ahead of the workers.
Individually, your experience may vary.
I have a very nuanced take that involves licking boots nuancedly
Pointing out the lack of context and the tantrum like behavior isn’t nuance. The fact that you think otherwise makes me concerned for your ability to safely cross the street.
Tantrum behavior like doing mass layoffs in response to a labor strike, a la UPS?
Of course. When workers stand up for their rational self interest, it’s a tantrum. When bosses retaliate en masse against workers standing up for their rational self interest, that’s just business 101.
Are you high? What the fuck are you talking about?
Please tell me how you read my comments, and arrived at that response.
Read your comment again, and then try and demonstrate the extrapolative capability of an adult crow, human child, or large language model. Go on, I believe in you.
So… Did you reread everything and realize how fucking stupid you sound?
Did you come up with a better way to project your anxiety over being wrong as fuck?
If you see this and your immediate reaction is to chastise some hypothetical tantrum then you might just be a bootlicker. At least own up to it instead of deflecting with arrogant ableism
I’d say the reply from the boss is enough to justify that response. The boss is chiding him for not putting in a 2 weeks notice, calling him unprofessional. From this one interaction you can make a pretty good assumption as to the quality of the boss. The only proper response to someone quitting is either a counter offer or a farewell, not a guilt trip.
Not really… It is unprofessional. That doesn’t mean it’s necessarily wrong, just that it’s not always unreasonable for a manager to point that out. Again, we lack any other context for the situation.
I would add, that he also followed it up with a good luck and didn’t drag it out. So, based off what limited evidence we have available, he seems like the more reasonable person in this situation.
Have you never had a good manager and a bad coworker?
Not really… It is unprofessional.
When companies firing people for base reasons, i.e. reaching quarterly targets, is also universally seen as unprofessional and shunned as such, we can talk again. Until then, they deserve exactly as much courtesy as they are willing to give.
When we hang all the bosses, will that include the POC Arby’s assistant manager? How about the call center team lead?
That’s some pretty wild stuff you have to make up just because you have no good response. That’s not even a straw man but a straw giant space monster. Sheesh dude …
Very fun “both sides” argument about a potentially billion dollar company ;)
It appears lemmy.world and the midwest has found us.
They deserve exactly the same notice they give when they axe thousands of jobs, Zero. Fuck the bosses.
Kind reminder it’s illegal to force labor in the United States.
No notice for 20,000 layoffs? Oops, 2 weeks from… uh, 2 weeks ago.
The key is to dip after changing the password on the vital database they decided one person was enough to manage ;)
While this is very funny folks just be aware you can be sued for sabotage
It’s just my silly brain thoughhh :(
In the US there is no notice period for firing in “at-will” states (which is all except Montana). It goes both directions though, there is no notice period when quitting. So chances are, if the OP is in the US, the boss was full of it.
It can be unprofessional without being illegal.
2 weeks notice is a pretty much universal standard when quitting. Layoffs usually gives with severance pay, so unless you pay severance to the employer when quitting, giving a courtesy of possible doesn’t seem like a lot to ask.
But severance pay is almost always part of consideration in a “you can’t sue us” contract. So the company is not just giving you pay in lieu of notice, they’re buying your rights away.
I’ve also seen plenty of corporations that punish you when you give two weeks notice by immediately barring you from working and you end up losing two weeks pay by planning on being considerate.
Believe it or not, nobody can make you work if you said you’re done.
US military has entered the chat
Eh, if you’re really done and just refuse to do anything they say, they’ll have you discharged inside a month. The couple times I saw it happen it actually looked like a relief on both sides. Nobody bothered the guy leaving anymore, and he would willingly do office chores again for the last 3 or 4 weeks.
Of course you don’t get all of your benefits, you can never come back, and the re-enlistment codes are regularly leaked so any HR will know how you left the second they see your discharge form.
When it gets nasty and takes months is when the leadership wants someone gone and the soldier insists on trying to to stay.
you don’t get all of your benefits, you can never come back
This got a good lol out of me after the OG comment was about the military forcing a database techie to work the meat grinder.
so any HR will know how you left the second they see your discharge form.
Okay whew :)
The key is to dip after changing the password on the vital database they decided one person was enough to manage ;)
Pretty sure this kind of sabotage can expose one to legal consequences
It’s just my silly brain thoughhhh.
The password was like at least 8 characters and nobody wrote it down for me :(
We need to push for more protections like required notice and/or undermine at-will employment in various ways. I’m sick of corps having us over a barrel in every way.
Lot of people didn’t read the community title before commenting lol.
Honestly pretty wild how the LW bots will be this brazen on dumb/seemingly irrelevant topics.
How will we ever have any discussion unless there is at least one upvote-botted-boot-licker comment?
Then your next job calls this job to verify your employment, finds out you quit without notice, and withdraws the offer
Edit: I get that no one cares that what I’m saying is a real thing that happens in some companies. Just know that it is and tread carefully if you’re thinking about quitting with no notice period
Edit: Also no, it is in no way illegal in the US for your previous employer to reveal a basic description of the terms of your separation to future/prospective employers
Don’t list it in your previous jobs. Problem solved
“What can you tell us about this hole in your resume”
“That’s when I went to Yale”
“I yust got out last week!”
Ive bought a ‘sorry for your loss’ greeting card and write 'I quit ’ on the inside and hand it to my superior before leaving when they asked for my notice in writing. I already had another job, I didn’t need a reference and if I did I’d just have a friend lie for me. Fuck the bosses.
Pretty wild they don’t even vet the reference numbers.
You could put your own number and get away w/ this 99/100 times.
Except on that same piece of paper you also have to write down your telephone number for contact purposes
How ridiculous it is that they don’t check (yes, even on the same page)
This reeks of r/antiwork cringe.
And you reek of boot
lol… so sayeth the kid on lemmy.
Everyone I disagree with is a dumb kid
Oh that’s not true at with me. I’m mature enough to not make blanket statements or stereotypes such as that. But when I see kids sensationalizing shit, and manufacturing outrage for the sake of activism…… I call it out.
Maybe don’t put word into the mouths of others.
